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Re: Attn: Smokers! E-Cig Intro *smoke healthier*
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2009, 10:40:02 AM »
Did you even bother to read the article linked by nectarsis?  If you had, you'd have seen that the FDA found E-Cigs to contain the diethylene glycol, which is toxic (ethylene glycol is equally toxic and not the same as propylene glycol).


I actually had no need to read the article, I have already read it in the past while spending about 2 weeks researching the e-cig before I made an initial purchase.

Did you even finish reading the first sentence in the article? after "toxic chemicals such as diethylene glycol" the sentence ends with "an ingredient used in antifreeze."

I was simply stating in my post back to you that DG,PG and EG are all forms of the same thing and have all been known to be used in antifreeze. As for the test that they claim to have found chemicals similar to some found in antifreeze, if I remember right it was like .02% of the chemical and it was tested on one form of e-juice from china. DG is not equally toxic to EG....Technically no PG is not the same as EG, but it is basically the newer EG...It was made as a substitute to be used for safer applications.

I dont understand why you want to argue something you have not studied on.....Anyone of you guys who would like to argue a point spend a week and half or so as I did and research the e-cig, you will find there is nothing left for you to make valid points. Here is a good place to start

Simple fact the e-cig is healthier than a cigarette! The FDA is making wild statements with not nearly enough testing done. READ THE FACTS!
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Re: Attn: Smokers! E-Cig Intro *smoke healthier*
« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2009, 06:10:34 PM »
Did you even bother to read the article linked by nectarsis?  If you had, you'd have seen that the FDA found E-Cigs to contain the diethylene glycol, which is toxic (ethylene glycol is equally toxic and not the same as propylene glycol).


I actually had no need to read the article, I have already read it in the past while spending about 2 weeks researching the e-cig before I made an initial purchase.

Did you even finish reading the first sentence in the article? after "toxic chemicals such as diethylene glycol" the sentence ends with "an ingredient used in antifreeze."

I was simply stating in my post back to you that DG,PG and EG are all forms of the same thing and have all been known to be used in antifreeze. As for the test that they claim to have found chemicals similar to some found in antifreeze, if I remember right it was like .02% of the chemical and it was tested on one form of e-juice from china. DG is not equally toxic to EG....Technically no PG is not the same as EG, but it is basically the newer EG...It was made as a substitute to be used for safer applications.

I dont understand why you want to argue something you have not studied on.....Anyone of you guys who would like to argue a point spend a week and half or so as I did and research the e-cig, you will find there is nothing left for you to make valid points. Here is a good place to start

Simple fact the e-cig is healthier than a cigarette! The FDA is making wild statements with not nearly enough testing done. READ THE FACTS!


No one said e-cigs aren't safer than regular cigs but theres litttle proof their OMGZ COMPLETELY SAFE...much less they've been around 6-7 years so LONG TERM effects haven't even started yet.

BTW who's doing all this "testing" anyways? Sorry not joining a dedicated forum to read posts.

And frankly this "I don't understand why you want to argue something you have not studied on"...

1.  Assume an awful lot eh...neither Necro, blue or myself have the ability to look anything up, nope.
2. This elitist "I KNOW ALL"  BS and general smug attitude is retarded at best.  A week and half research..really, not a lot in the big scheme of things.
3.  You claim you don't want this thread to become a debate...well first you're on a public forum that SHOULD be expected.  Add to that your general rude, and condescending attitude/responses it should be no surprise.

 "Yes I as well don't have that wonderful of a sense of humor on this subject as nor do I have much of a sense of humor for anything I feel passionate about that someone trys to cut down."   

SO posting a link is "cutting down a subject"?  Sorry if you have no sense of humor, or that if others don't act/react EXACTLY how YOU want/expect them to...well that's life, and IMO something that's usually learned at a damn young age.  Other people don't HAVE to agree with you...and if they don't that's worthy of you getting all high and mighty?

"you will find there is nothing left for you to make valid points."   Nope none at all... like oh maybe Health Canada has issues with em "electronic smoking products may pose risks such as nicotine poisoning and addiction.", and the WHO says many claims are unfounded, and more studies are needed.  So hardly just the evil FDA that's just out for tax dollars.

So yes they may be safer, but hardly perfect.  Again no long term affects are known yet either.  You bash the FDA for not nearly enough tests..the same could be said for other sources of' "it's all safe people."  One can also doubt a week and a half of even TONS of reading you went thru all the detailed medical/technical reports on the issue one way or the other..I'm gonna listen a lot more to EXPERTS vs. people on a forum any day, sorry.
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Re: Attn: Smokers! E-Cig Intro *smoke healthier*
« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2009, 06:50:24 AM »
No biggie! All this is not worth getting on peoples bad sides....Sorry if I offended any of you. No harm was ment to be done  #-o

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« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2009, 07:47:39 AM »
I'm a smoker and have seen these products here and there.  I've honestly been pretty tempted to give them a shot.  New things like this are always pretty interesting but I don't want to say it's good or bad until more testing is done.  Smoking sucks and the amount of toxins I/we put in our bodies by doing it's just horrible. 

I tried out Chantix for a while and honestly did pretty well with it.  I had quit entirely for almost 6 months.  A co-worker of mine was taking it at the same time as me and had the horrible side effects (morbid nightmares, depression) yet I didn't have any side effects at all.

No matter what we decide to use to try to kick the habit, I hope in time we all can.  It's horrible for our heath, we smell like shit, we annoy people by doing it, we litter.  I'm still trying to find the good side in all of it.  Damn addictions!

PS:  I did start smoking again.  Once you quit, don't ever give in to having just one, youll be f*cked.
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Re: Attn: Smokers! E-Cig Intro *smoke healthier*
« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2009, 09:25:42 AM »
No biggie! All this is not worth getting on peoples bad sides....Sorry if I offended any of you. No harm was ment to be done  #-o


Too late, beeyotch!  Just kidding of course; I don't have any good sides.  :twisted:

No matter what we decide to use to try to kick the habit, I hope in time we all can.


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Re: Attn: Smokers! E-Cig Intro *smoke healthier*
« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2009, 09:36:40 AM »
Only the weak need a crutch -
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Man, if it were only that easy.........
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« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2009, 09:41:08 AM »
Man, if it were only that easy.........

No doubt.  I imagine it's a lot like my addiction to porn, booze, and trim..... except why would anyone want to quit that trio?
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Re: Attn: Smokers! E-Cig Intro *smoke healthier*
« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2009, 09:44:21 AM »
Man, if it were only that easy.........

No doubt.  I imagine it's a lot like my addiction to porn, booze, and trim..... except why would anyone want to quit that trio?

From a mans standpoint I think that trio would be considered normal male behavior, not an addiction.
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« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2009, 07:25:25 PM »
I've been gone for far too long and I've just seen this thread- I would have been adding to it from the start as months back I started "vaping", smoking e-cigs.  The brand I bought was Red Dragon- their cigs come with separate atomizers which are great because this way if an atomizer goes it's only one cartridge- not the whole cig- and it also keeps flavors from mixing.  I LOVED the product- got to where I'd only smoke them during the week- then cheat a beat with real cigs during the weekend. 

Then came that little FDA report- and while I found the report ludicrously vague (they didn't mention the brands) and the percentage amounts of harmful substances to be rather insignificant- I also realized that perhaps I'd put a spin on it just because I enjoy the product so much- so this was my excuse to switch back to regular cigs (as great a replacement as e-cigs are to the real thing- nothing- as they say- beats the real thing, baby.

Then eventually I checked the Red Dragon site out to see if they addressed the report- and according to their site their products contain zero- not even trace amounts- of the suspected toxin.  That's good enough for me- I'm killing myself smoking regular cigs anyway- fork do I care.

So- I've been bad with cigarettes lately- but I DO plan to break out the Red Dragons again- I never threw them away (have plenty of cartridges- vanilla and marlboro flavored lights and mediums) and I feel it's a great product. 

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Re: Attn: Smokers! E-Cig Intro *smoke healthier*
« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2009, 11:47:44 AM »
I believe I almost went with the Red Dragon, its an M401 model correct? My EVO is aswell an M401 model! I love it, but can't wait to get me one of these!

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Re: Attn: Smokers! E-Cig Intro *smoke healthier*
« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2010, 02:07:29 PM »
Override, Just wanted to see how s everythign with your quitting by using E Cig method!!! hope it helps!! or NOT!!!

Override, Congrats on your quitting method.  As for me I had been smoking cigarette as well as NA/AA..  Quit on my own using my will power with His help!.. =)  Soon to be 4 years clean and sober!..

Keep it up OVER!

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Re: Attn: Smokers! E-Cig Intro *smoke healthier*
« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2010, 04:11:05 AM »
Still have not smoked and cigarettes....Im using it less and less so thats a good thing!

Thanks for asking wmac...Hows that TG-16 I modded for you working?

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Re: Attn: Smokers! E-Cig Intro *smoke healthier*
« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2010, 04:26:44 PM »
i definitelly would like to try those non-stinkers. especially now, since the price came down to almost nothing.

but there are two kind of types, one with the vaporizer and one with the heating system. so which one could you suggest? and what are the main differences in trems of taste and compared to real tabaco?
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Re: Attn: Smokers! E-Cig Intro *smoke healthier*
« Reply #28 on: June 10, 2010, 05:37:26 PM »
Only the weak need a crutch -
  :lol:


Man, if it were only that easy.........


Been quit cold turkey 16 months; was a 2-pack a day Lucky Strike / American Spirit smoker for a decade.

Willpower is an amazing thing. And now, I have soooo much money for PC Engine.

All in all, I believe that for me, cold turkey is/was the only way to quit. I also believe "Quit smoking" aides are merely a way to keep you hooked on nicotine, but if they work for you guys, then go for it.

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Re: Attn: Smokers! E-Cig Intro *smoke healthier*
« Reply #29 on: June 11, 2010, 01:58:42 PM »
There is no difference in the cape and heat system it's all the same thing. The rapid heating of the coil is what causes the liquid to vaporize. If you are interested in trying them out I would recommend checking vaprlife, puresmoker, innovapor, super t manufactoring, totally wicked e liquid USA. Also check out the ECF forums. Compared to real cigarettes they are alot different. Also flavors are not close to a tobacco I mean they had some that are but still not like smoking an analog. Personally IMHO I wouldn't want to smoke a cig flavored juice I can only imagine how horrible it would taste. I'm on my iPhone so I'm gonna cut this short. If u want more info just PM me.