Naysayers

[SignOfZeta]

Why don't retro-hip reviewers question where Mario's wrench is and why touching mushrooms and glowing flowers changes him. Why don't they ask "OMG WHY THE HELL ARE THE FREAKING FLOWERS GLOWING!?!" There's never any question of why a hedgehog is blue and how people could live in world of messed up mazes

This would be because Mario is clearly a much more abstract and cartoonish invention. The sprites in China Warrior are almost photo-realistic for the time. This leads people to want more. Its its own downfall. Looking better (in some ways) than Vigilante but playing much much worse is the path to unpopularity.

And last time I checked people have always criticized palette swapped enemies in beat-em-ups. The smart people though know that its totally memory/budget restrictions causing them. In China warrior once wonders if maybe those monks could be made to swing if they were just %15 shorter as to free up some memory.

[ceti alpha]

Well, after all this Altered Beast talk, I decided to give it a shot on MAME. It's been a while since I've played it, but let me tell you it leaves little to be desired. But you know what was one of my biggest gripes? Having to press jump. I would much rather push up to jump like on the PCE ports. But I don't think that would help it from being clumsy and unbearably slow. I still want to pick up either the huey or CD port of this game, though. 

[SignOfZeta]

The PCE version of AB is horrendous. The control is worse, the difficulty is higher, and it has none of the cool samples. I haven't played the SMS version, but it can't be much worse. It might even be better.

[TurbografxKid]

Someone mentioned "Vigilante" so I just had to pull it out and start playing it. Got to save Madonna. 

[Arkhan]

I for one am not a hater of China Warrior, but hardly the OMFGZ SCREW ALL THE HATR+ERS THIS GAMEZ IS GREATZ Arkhan either.

I find that using my name directly as an adjective is pretty pointless considering you're over exaggerating and incorrectly quoting what I said.  Putting words in my mouth even.

The only time I used all caps and typed like that was to poke fun at the stupidity of the people hating on the game.

Did you actually read what I said and connect it with other similar comments about how shallow the complaints are, or just go into condescension mode.

The PCE version of AB is horrendous. The control is worse, the difficulty is higher, and it has none of the cool samples. I haven't played the SMS version, but it can't be much worse. It might even be better.

The SMS one is pretty much the same , with SMS style music.    It should be called Clunkered Beast

[nectarsis]

The multiple pictures (that have been posted multiple times regarding this game)..your constant L33T speak ..especially when ripping on others, or their opinions (then getting sand in your vag when someone picks on you..ironic).  Besides I'm not DIRECTLY quoting you, or putting words in your mouth..it's called parody/satire. 

[Arkhan]

The multiple pictures (that have been posted multiple times regarding this game)..your constant L33T speak ..especially when ripping on others, or their opinions (then getting sand in your vag when someone picks on you..ironic).  Besides I'm not DIRECTLY quoting you, or putting words in your mouth..it's called parody/satire. 

When did I get sand in my vag?  If im going to be represented by name, id prefer you get it right.  If you don't like dissing naysayers, start a yaysayers thread and praise the gloriously ignorant mass retrogamer journalists.

I don't see whats so wrong with calling an obvious idiot an idiot.  The leetspeek only serves to prove the point of making fun of them better.  The photos are relevant.  I don't see you being all crotchy when the OBEY PCE pic comes up more than one time.  so whats the deal?

[nectarsis]

The multiple pictures (that have been posted multiple times regarding this game)..your constant L33T speak ..especially when ripping on others, or their opinions (then getting sand in your vag when someone picks on you..ironic).  Besides I'm not DIRECTLY quoting you, or putting words in your mouth..it's called parody/satire. 

When did I get sand in my vag?  If im going to be represented by name, id prefer you get it right.  If you don't like dissing naysayers, start a yaysayers thread and praise the gloriously ignorant mass retrogamer journalists.

I don't see whats so wrong with calling an obvious idiot an idiot.  The leetspeek only serves to prove the point of making fun of them better.  The photos are relevant.  I don't see you being all crotchy when the OBEY PCE pic comes up more than one time.  so whats the deal?

The deal is you get on your little HARDCORE...all others are below you and your "knowledge" regularly.  Yes many/most "gloriously ignorant mass retrogamer journalists" are doofs...so they ripped on game YOU love, but your opinionm is always SOOOOO much better.  And calling me condescending...look at more than a few of your posts.  WE GET IT your soooooo much cooler than 99% of the rest of people. 

[SignOfZeta]

The sad fact is that China Warrior totally sucks. To stick up for it you have to be pretty f*cking hardcore. So hardcore you just see red when people dis your shit. If you show China Warrior to basically anyone that hasn't seen it before they are going to not like it one bit. This wasn't the case in 1989, but its certainly the case now. Huge sprites were the FMV of their time. The only "OMFG HUGE SPRITE!" games I can recall off the top of my head that have aged well would be the first two Samurai Showdown games. The Art of Fighting (a much much better game than CW) hasn't aged very well. Martial Champions can just die.

Most NEC fans won't even stick up for this game, let alone regular gamers. Its unfair that game reviewers are using it as a whipping boy, but only because they are getting paid for what is essentially a circle jerk review, not because the game deserves better.

[Arkhan]

below me and my knowledge?  Really? With quotes even?!  When the hell did I do or say that?  I don't recall ever stating that I'm cooler than 99% of everyone, or that my opinion is so much better than anyone's here.  I think maybe you look too far into things.

A misinformed/jaded journalist != person here.  Its immediately apparent that the guy everyone's making fun of is a clown.

Sorry I rub you the wrong way.  Since you want to get into it apparently, the things you just pointed the finger at me for, you do just the same.   :-".  Most people are guilty of it at some point.  Big frigging deal.   

Someones opinion on some game/series/thing differs from yours and you do your attacky/condescending bit.  Maybe you only do it towards me because of your recently confessed problem with me..  I dont know, but you're still just as guilty, so chill the balls out.

Making all kinds of inferences and most of what you said only serves to create tension and removes the easy going aspect of the forum.  That's not good.

plus, I still think you're over reacting and taking some of the shit I say too seriously and treating it like some battle of the minds.

 

and its like zeta said, you gotta be hardcore to defend china warrior.

What if someone dissed your most favorite game ever on earth.  youd probably do something, call them a dipshit, make fun of them, and be pretty abrasive, no?

[Turbo D]

I'm going to have to say that Altered Beast owns Keith Courage. Apparently the views of Keith Courage supremacy were not the usual sarcasm. hehe. Altered Beast: original story, fast-action controls, cool horror theme, nice animations. Keith Courage: awkward controls, made up name (it's really Wataru), theme and story is cliche, heck the robot he transforms into is an obvious rip-off of a sd gundam or something. I always thought the name Keith Courage was really gay; and if the name weren't enough, the many in game rainbows backed up my theory. lol. If they were going to rename this game, they should have called it something along the lines of Attack of Gunhed, due to the main enemies being walking guns. While I do enjoy playing Keith Courage once every 5 or so years, I think of it as a poor choice for a pack-in; especially at a time when pack-in games defined the potential of a given system.

[Arkhan]

altered beast is BARELY an original story though.

All they did was throw in some necromancy on top of the good ol' "save my daughter from the bad guy" routine


The theme of AB is pretty sweet though. No doubt.

They only called him Keith Courage since Wataru is clearly non americanized, and back then America wasnt havin none of that.

Im surprised the rainbow beam isnt a stars and stripes, or something.


I think Altered Beast is a better game overall as a pack in, but Keith Courage is more fun to me.  I like the town scenes, and all the dopey music.

They both beat the NES packin for sure though :-D  Mario 1, while a classic, is rough as all hell.

[Turbo D]

Perhaps you're right about that Arkhan. The "wise fwom yo gwave" is classic though. hahaha. I guess my love for altered beast hath been revealed.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c167/photodavid/abc.jpg

...and by the way, won't you please take part in our previous discussion below

And in true idiot fashion, he called the hucard a CARTRIDGE.     

http://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=5211.0

[Arkhan]

Yeah, dont get me wrong, i LOVE altered beast.  Even the clunky master system one.

But that game sure is stiff.

Im jealous of your cabinet.

[Turbo D]

thnx, best $200 I had spent in a long time.