Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!

[Arkhan]

You're not doing them any favors by provoking me with subtle jabs.

Subtle jabs!  Your endearing specialty .  Though, I think enough people are hip to your trolling that it isn't subtle anymore, lol.  Didn't you openly admit at one time that your days as a "helpful contributer" are gone, or something like that?

That is exactly what happened.  Again, it's best for you to let this drop.  I have no incentive to let sleeping dogs lie, but you do.

Not exactly.  You didn't pre-order, right?  So why get involved by making Emerald Rocker Subtle Jabs^TM?    Practice what you preach. 

Uh... not really sure how to reply to this.  Internet posts are on the internet?  English text is in English?  Human beings are human beings?  Copycats who can't come up with their own stuff think they are talented?

What I am saying is, if you are going to be a jerk and hate on homebrew for whatever reason, keep it to your own forum/shoutbox, or little circle of friends, man.  The upbeat community at large doesn't need any rain on any parades, even if a project is delayed, problems arise, or the game turns out kinda crappy...  It's still keeping a dead system alive, right ?

That goes for everybody though.  Not just you.  No one has any place to hate on homebrew efforts and the people involved until they themselves have seen what it's like to do it.

btw, have you started your Octology?   

[Emerald Rocker]

lord_cack:
So?  I could say more (and did, but deleted it).  I explained that to you in PM when you asked, months ago.  I think I heard about it in the forum or on shoutbox (which I doubt you monitor 24/7).  If you were that upset about it, you could have said so before now.  After you contacted me and said it was secret, I never mentioned it again.  I wasn't trying to steal your thunder... and more importantly, I didn't.

[Emerald Rocker]

Arkhan:
My days as a helpful contributor are far from over.  But anyways.  I'm not interested in discussing Mysterious Song anymore than I already have -- it's getting boring, to be honest -- but there's a particular point I've heard before (from others, not just you) that I want to respond to.

No one has any place to hate on homebrew efforts and the people involved until they themselves have seen what it's like to do it.

Wrong.  People are allowed to say "I didn't like this song" even if they never played in a band themselves.  People are allowed to judge novels without writing one.  People are allowed to say "I won't buy Itagaki's games because he is a womanizing bastard" -- they don't have to work for Tecmo themselves to have an informed opinion.  Audiences often have clearer opinions than the creators.

And besides, you've got no idea what I have or haven't done.  I don't talk about such things because they aren't relevant.

[Arkhan]

Arkhan:
My days as a helpful contributor are far from over. 

Good!  We need moar positive stuff.  Negative nonsense is better suited elsewhere. 

But anyways.  I'm not interested in discussing Mysterious Song anymore than I already have -- it's getting boring,

Good also .  Great even!

Wrong.  People are allowed to say "I didn't like this song" even if they never played in a band themselves.  People are allowed to judge novels without writing one.  People are allowed to say "I won't buy Itagaki's games because he is a womanizing bastard" -- they don't have to work for Tecmo themselves to have an informed opinion.  Audiences often have clearer opinions than the creators.

Well, wait for the game to come out before you bad mouth it then. .  Doing so before hand just puts everyone in a pissy mood and makes people lose interest in working.

And besides, you've got no idea what I have or haven't done.  I don't talk about such things because they aren't relevant.

Whether you did/didn't preorder a game is relevant to complaining about the preordering process of the game, isn't it? (I think it is at least)   Otherwise you could be complaining for a party you aren't involved in.  I hope you pre-ordered though!   Everyone should pre-order.  It's good stuff.

The game itself, and the supporting homebrew part too.

Did you see the video footage of the game that I poorly recorded?

[nodtveidt]

I've got a few words to say on this whole thing.

People have the right to say whatever they want to whoever they want about whatever they want. Frozen Utopia has overcome every hardship thrown our way thus far, and we have already demonstrated that we are serious. Yes, our game is delayed, but yes, it WILL be released. And of course, yes, I know of a certain clique around these parts that is going to be very quick in insulting it, degrading it, completely missing all of the good parts, derogatorily comparing it to other games on other consoles, etc etc etc. But that's just how it works. The fact that so many people put forth their money to reserve a copy of our game is a voice far louder than a single dissident. The more that dissident insults us, the more we work to prove it wrong, which has the side-effect of producing better games for people who actually like to play them. The more they talk trash about us within their little clique, the more we laugh at their own inability to produce anything worthwhile of their own aside from biased websites thrown together in a few minutes with a website generator or a pre-made CMS. The more they think that they're getting away with having a two-faced rat among our ranks, the more ammunition it gives us. And even though I know that it matters not how good our work is, the dissident will always be quick to insult and degrade it, so that voice became stale long ago. That stale voice still drives me to prove it wrong though, even if I know that it can never be proven wrong because it is prejudiced for reasons unknown.

We're having a problem with PayPal still. They have been refusing to hear the case, so I have been forced to hire an attorney to get them to wise up and fix the issue we currently have with them. As it stands right now, all of the money is locked up in PayPal's system and they refuse to release it, so I cannot fulfill refunds, take new orders, or even afford the pressing at the moment. Until they release the funds, our hands are tied on this matter. Of course, I'm sure a certain someone in the clique will have a grand time with this one. And to that person, I offer my middle finger, raised in salute.

Mysterious Song is our first, last, and only RPG. There will never be another one from us on the PCE. We are going to focus on other game types instead. If we decide to go to the PC-FX, we may produce an RPG there, but don't expect it.

And one final note, and this is especially for the clique who still seems to be confused...we opted to charge for a real copy of the game because this is what the majority asked for. Whether or not you did is irrelevant. If people had not wanted a real pressed copy, we would have skipped it and simply released the game in bin/cue format when it was completed. And now, since you are so obsessed with reading what I've said in the past, go ahead and look into the past for the posts that prove it. Feel free to apply your usual form of misinterpretations, red herrings, and prejudices to the mix, because now, we all expect it.

[Senshi]

Rover that really sucks. I'm not sure if you can tell me but why would paypal freeze the funds? What is their reason?

Mysterious Song is our first, last, and only RPG. There will never be another one from us on the PCE. We are going to focus on other game types instead. If we decide to go to the PC-FX, we may produce an RPG there, but don't expect it.

No Neutopia III? *sniff* 

[nodtveidt]

Neutopia III isn't an RPG, it's an action adventure game. No worries.

PayPal won't tell us why. All I get is the runaround...I send an email and I get a response five days later, telling me that they're "looking into it". They've been "looking into it" for a couple of months now. It may have to do with a transaction they totally f*cked up a few months back on eBay, but I have no way to know for sure until they get off their ass and fix it.

[Arm]

So there won't be an Epic RPG on 3 discs, after all ? 
Concerning Mysterious Song, do you think the french translation will also be included into the game ?

[nodtveidt]

Yes, the French translation will indeed be in the game. It hasn't been added yet since the bonus material isn't 100% finished (90% done and rising) but it'll be in there.

[TheClash603]

Due to the Paypal issue that is currently happening, resulting in lack of funds, have you considered pre-orders round 2?  I have seen enough progress to make me feel confident a pre-order would result in a great product sooner or later.

I don't know if you have finished the pre-order bonuses, but if you were to do an extra 25 or so, then maybe you'd have enough money for an attorney or pressing?  Just an idea, let me know!

[Arm]

I see. Please let me know when the final strings of text are available for translation.

[nodtveidt]

Yeah Arm, I'll give you the text as soon as it's ready.

Clash, I've considered re-opening the pre-orders, but I would have to either set up a new acct for it or use my wife's acct. Also, the bonus item has tentatively changed, so there is a high chance of the offer being extended to at least 100 orders.

[Arjak]

I've got a few words to say on this whole thing.

People have the right to say whatever they want to whoever they want about whatever they want. Frozen Utopia has overcome every hardship thrown our way thus far, and we have already demonstrated that we are serious. Yes, our game is delayed, but yes, it WILL be released. And of course, yes, I know of a certain clique around these parts that is going to be very quick in insulting it, degrading it, completely missing all of the good parts, derogatorily comparing it to other games on other consoles, etc etc etc. But that's just how it works. The fact that so many people put forth their money to reserve a copy of our game is a voice far louder than a single dissident. The more that dissident insults us, the more we work to prove it wrong, which has the side-effect of producing better games for people who actually like to play them. The more they talk trash about us within their little clique, the more we laugh at their own inability to produce anything worthwhile of their own aside from biased websites thrown together in a few minutes with a website generator or a pre-made CMS. The more they think that they're getting away with having a two-faced rat among our ranks, the more ammunition it gives us. And even though I know that it matters not how good our work is, the dissident will always be quick to insult and degrade it, so that voice became stale long ago. That stale voice still drives me to prove it wrong though, even if I know that it can never be proven wrong because it is prejudiced for reasons unknown.

We're having a problem with PayPal still. They have been refusing to hear the case, so I have been forced to hire an attorney to get them to wise up and fix the issue we currently have with them. As it stands right now, all of the money is locked up in PayPal's system and they refuse to release it, so I cannot fulfill refunds, take new orders, or even afford the pressing at the moment. Until they release the funds, our hands are tied on this matter. Of course, I'm sure a certain someone in the clique will have a grand time with this one. And to that person, I offer my middle finger, raised in salute.

Mysterious Song is our first, last, and only RPG. There will never be another one from us on the PCE. We are going to focus on other game types instead. If we decide to go to the PC-FX, we may produce an RPG there, but don't expect it.

And one final note, and this is especially for the clique who still seems to be confused...we opted to charge for a real copy of the game because this is what the majority asked for. Whether or not you did is irrelevant. If people had not wanted a real pressed copy, we would have skipped it and simply released the game in bin/cue format when it was completed. And now, since you are so obsessed with reading what I've said in the past, go ahead and look into the past for the posts that prove it. Feel free to apply your usual form of misinterpretations, red herrings, and prejudices to the mix, because now, we all expect it.

You know, sometimes I just want to tell these guys how I feel about them and how they are being such a-holes, but then I realize that they enjoy such anger, and that they'll probably just quote my post, sentence by sentence, and tear each one to shreds, nitpicking each argument and telling everyone why I'm a idiot because I was 99% accurate about them instead of 100% even though nobody who's sane gives a shit.

It's sad, but there are people out there who like to act like they are so big and bad, thinking they are so much better than everyone else when they aren't half the man or woman that they are insulting.

I especially find it hilarious when these people complain about how a certain homebrewer sucks because they aren't perfectly on schedule, make mistakes, or even just don't like them, even when their games kick ass and are generally a good person, and then refuse to do better, and make a project of similar or higher magnitude without a single problem happening along the way, to prove their own arguments.

If these people are so much better than you, Old Rover, I find it funny that they are unable, or more likely, too lazy to prove it.

When you get your PayPal problems sorted out, I'll definitely put in my pre-order. You know why? Because I respect what you are doing, appreciate how hard it must be, and am thankful for the product I am purchasing from you. See ya then.

[ParanoiaDragon]

So there won't be an Epic RPG on 3 discs, after all ? 
Concerning Mysterious Song, do you think the french translation will also be included into the game ?

I think it's more about that we don't have any plans whatsoever for a traditional RPG.  We have plans for other ideas that could be considered Action/RPG's.  But, I can't think of any turn based RPG's we have any plans for after this game.

[Arm]

I see. Oh well, the genre in itself (rpg or action rpg) isn't that important to me. What I'm interested in is the mood set by the game and the characters designs. By saying "3 disc" I was rather thinking about the quantity of cutscenes/sounds included into the game. But actually, even one disc could contain loads of cutscenes if the sound is streamed.