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[Emerald Rocker]

Other people are busy doing stuff in real life and don't always have the luxury of hopping on to give a status update.  Its nice to have eyes and ears to let them know if somethings going down.  Who do you think gave them the heads up. 

From what I can see, we now have our status update in lieu of Rover's absence, pepe is getting assistance with his refund request, Emerald hates Rover 4 Lyfe, etc.

I haven't actually seen any indication that pepe is getting assistance with his refund request, but if he is, that's great.  I'm willing to assume that since Keranu stepped up with an update, that someone will privately contact pepe.

I frequent the forums muuuuch more than the rest of Frozen Utopia does, so rather than sit back and let the shit fly unchecked, I would rather step in and help settle things.  Why should someone who is letting personal grudges influence things get to spew crap unchecked? 

Arkhan, I'm going to tell you the difference between your "white-knighting" and mine:

Rover has peoples' money.  Therefore, he owes those people updates.  He owes them updates that you are incapable of providing, because you are not Rover -- you aren't even part of FrozenUtopia.  You may not like the way I go about things, but it gets results and those results inform people.  It's a useful outcome.

I, on the other hand, don't owe people anything.  "White-knighting" against me is useless.

[Keranu]

I'm sure Rover will refund anyone who wishes to be refunded. I have never known him to be a scammer of any sort nor has he ever mentioned any intention of sort. He's just as inactive on the private Frozen Utopia forum as he is here or anywhere else; the man is busy. Believe me, the rest of us at Frozen Utopia anxiously await his responses as much as anyone else. Rover was able to take care of that whole prototype transaction dilemma awhile back, it just took him awhile because of his lack of time. If Rover wanted to steal your money, then I'm sure he wouldn't have started developing a game only to start some pre-order scam hype five years later for the TG16 of all systems. He didn't just close down the pre-order option for nothing, you know.

Anyone seeking a refund, please remain patient. Rover will come around eventually.

[Arkhan]

Funny as Emerald is far from the only one that has mentioned the same concerns.  He just seems to have the balls to voice them.

Nah the thing of it is, the other people who voice concern either keep it private, or when they take it public, they don't let their "OMG I HATE ROVER" part interfere.  Your lack of response to the matter only makes me think you're cool with hate fueled negativity.

If someones curious/concerned about the status of things, it doesn't hurt to ASK.   It does hurt to instigate problems.  That shit leads nowhere good and accomplishes nothing.


Quasi Professional means it resembles, but ISN'T professional, no matter how much we would all like to think it is..  This, and all homebrew for dead consoles, is hobbyist stuff.  its done in spare time.  Noones getting paid top dollar to invest all this time into the project.  If real life demands something else, thats the nature of the beast.  Anyone supporting homebrew needs to understand this.   None of these projects are paying our bills, or keeping us afloat.   If the things that DO keep us afloat and maintain our wellbeing experience problems, those take priority.  Real life is always more important....  I think anyone can agree to that?

And for that matter, there was an update on FU's site about the delays already, over a month ago.  Spells EVERYTHING out.   So what is the actual problem? Noones actually really left in the dark.  There are more places to get your PCE updates than this forum.   So, Emerald Rocker, I don't think you being a jerk because you don't like Rover is producing anything in the way of results.

and like I said, it doesnt take much to ask one of the many members who are logged on. Shoot em a PM, or make a post.  Hell that's what pepe did before this all went south.  Im sure without your white knightin', things would have been solved just fine anyways.   So what kind of result did YOU bring?

As for that last part..the hippy hall monitor kumbayah crap is old man.  How many times you gonna pull the STFU, blah blah only positive crap.  That's not the way it's gonna be all the time, deal with it.  If people can't take criticism (weather you feel it's right/warranted/whatever) that's just sad.

Negative isnt all bad.  I just think we've got enough of it for now.  It doesn't seem to be needed anymore. 

however, being negative because you don't like someone is never warranted.    That kind of criticism is BS. 

If you dont like the kumbayah lets try to be positive crap and would rather keep this crap up, then I think THAT is what's sad. 

[nectarsis]

"Your lack of response to the matter only makes me think you're cool with hate fueled negativity."

Keep assuming.  Hey  a few peeps around here disliked Mike Helgeson for the way he "took care of things" but wow they seemed more effective than most no?


"You keep quoting quasi professional.  Do you know what it means?   It means it resembles, but ISN'T professional, no matter how much we would all like to think it is.."

 Yes I know what it means.  Yet you're using it to try and make it seem MORE professional than some backalley crap shack.


"And for that matter, there was an update on FU's site about the delays already, over a month ago.  Spells EVERYTHING out.   So what is the actual problem? Noones actually really left in the dark.  There are more places to get your PCE updates than this forum."

Well to be frank $ was solicited here, the update should been put here first.  People were only directed toward FU AFTER the fact (update was posted 3/3 on FU, the 3/9 here...only AFTER Emerald posting asking about it).  If 'time is so limited" wouldn't it have made more sense to copy/paste that here as well (where I'd wager a majority of the preorders came from) at the same time..that would take what an extra 2-3 minutes tops.


"If you dont like the kumbayah lets try to be positive crap and would rather keep this crap up, then I think THAT is what's sad."

Nah when it's overdone it gets pathetic.  Anytime criticism surfaces, escpecially homebrew you (and mainly you) get all worked up.  Being a a person involved in homebrew doesn't mean you're above reproach/criticism.  If you can't take negative comments, you obviously need a thicker skin.

[Arkhan]

Keep assuming.  Hey  a few peeps around here disliked Mike Helgeson for the way he "took care of things" but wow they seemed more effective than most no?

What's effective about ragging on other members? All that leads to is people losing interest, leaving, etc.  Mikes not exactly here any more .  I think raggin' on members has caused more loss than gain, yeah? 

Yes I know what it means.  Yet you're using it to try and make it seem MORE professional than some backalley crap shack.

Back alley crap shack?  is that what you think this project is?   I'm not trying to do anything. It resembles a pro-development setup.  Site, forum, projects, updates, crew and all.   But in reality is a bunch of hobbyists putting out a game for a console they particularly fancy.  That is how all homebrews are.  It's always quasi-professional.  Every project, every group, every time.

Well to be frank $ was solicited here, the update should been put here first.  People were only directed toward FU AFTER the fact (update was posted 3/3 on FU, the 3/9 here...only AFTER Emerald posting asking about it).

Well to be frank, if someone gives 30$ to someone and can't be arsed to check THEIR SITE for updates, thats their problem.  If you're savvy enough to complain about it on a forum you should be savvy enough to type www.frozenutopia.com in the address bar, click go, and read the first thing on the site.



I get worked up when people criticize homebrew, because most of the time it's out of ignorance.   Homebrew is often a thankless art.  People don't understand how demanding it is to make these games, so it really sucks to have people sitting back and poking fun and jabbing. Especially for reasons like "I dont like that person". 

That isn't even criticism.   Thats just being petty.

So excuse me for getting worked up when theres negative criticism, or just outright trolling.  Maybe when you put in hours and hours of work for a PCE homebrew, and then see people sitting back taking little jabs, you will see what the problem is.

Doing that indirectly spits on everyone involved.

[nectarsis]

"What's effective about ragging on other members? All that leads to is people losing interest, leaving, etc.  Mikes not exactly here any more Very Happy.  I think raggin' on members has caused more loss than gain, yeah?"

Ask ceti about his Duo woes, or the various scammers that have been run off, and get back to me.

"Back alley crap shack?  is that what you think this project is?"

Now your just reaching.  I didn't call it that..you read what you want to eh?  I am stating that you are OVERUSING the quasi part.  Everything you listed can be done by a lot of people that have the skills, hardly denotes profesional (quasi or otherwise).  You yourself just nailed it on the head...HOBBYISTS (even others have brought up the meager amounts of updates on their page/forum..quasi what again?).

"Well to be frank, if someone gives 30$ to someone and can't be arsed to check THEIR SITE for updates, thats their problem.  If you're savvy enough to complain about it on a forum you should be savvy enough to type www.frozenutopia.com in the address bar, click go, and read the first thing on the site."

Well when this was one of the MAIN avenues for info/$ taking ...common sense would dictate that updates should be done here as well.  Hell many peeps here have never been to/heard of the FU site..so that's their fault if the ordered thru here and were getting most of their info about the game from how many diff threads here for how many years they should be ignored?

[Arkhan]

Read post one of this thread, and get back to me.

[nectarsis]

Read post one of this thread, and get back to me.

Keep avoiding it man.  It's everyone else's problem to expect communication.  Tracking down an MIA person isn't their responsibilty.

[Arkhan]

avoiding what?  You act like noone who preordered the game knew about www.frozenutopia.com .  That means you probably didn't preorder and are mostly talking out of your ass.

you had to go to the site IN ORDER TO PREORDER IT. 

Everyone who pre-ordered is fully aware of the site, and is capable of going there to check for updates and contact info. 

One person seems to have had communication issues regarding refund emails. Im sure it will get straightened out.  You act like its some ancient chinese riddle, and that we are all doomed.  Internet Armageddon is upon as all.   

You are right though, it is everyone who preordered and wants a refund's responsibility to track down the refund email, etc.

That is precisely what pepe was working on doing before Emerald chimed in with yet another "I dont like Rover" jab.   The results of that are in, and they weren't productive.  Prior to that though, things seemed to be getting along fine.

[nectarsis]

avoiding what?  You act like noone who preordered the game knew about www.frozenutopia.com .  That means you probably didn't preorder and are mostly talking out of your ass.

you had to go to the site IN ORDER TO PREORDER IT. 

Everyone who pre-ordered is fully aware of the site, and is capable of going there to check for updates and contact info. 

One person seems to have had communication issues regarding refund emails. Im sure it will get straightened out.  You act like its some ancient chinese riddle, and that we are all doomed.  Internet Armageddon is upon as all.  

You are right though, it is everyone who preordered and wants a refund's responsibility to track down the refund email, etc.

That is precisely what pepe was working on doing before Emerald chimed in with yet another "I dont like Rover" jab.   The results of that are in, and they weren't productive.  Prior to that though, things seemed to be getting along fine.

Well we def know you know how to be an overdramatic drama queen eh?

avoiding what?  You act like noone who preordered the game knew about www.frozenutopia.com .  That means you probably didn't preorder and are mostly talking out of your ass.

No I didn't preorder I have over 300+ PCE/TG games to play much less wait on another one with no clear timetable.


"You are right though, it is everyone who preordered and wants a refund's responsibility to track down the refund email, etc." 

Yeah you know if the email actually works, or is answered in a timely manner (read professional customer service).  They shouldn't have to trak down info like it's a hunt.  Seems to be the situation right now.

[nat]

This has gotten out of hand. Emerald Rocker brought up a valid concern, regardless of his personal feelings about The Old Rover. At this stage I'm going to give involved parties the benefit of the doubt and believe they are handling peperocket's request in a proper manner.

On the other hand, this discussion has deteriorated to petty argument between two parties (you know who you are) who don't even have the slightest thing to do with the situation. Further posts on the subject will be deleted and/or the thread locked.

[esteban]

Peace, love and harmony.

That is all I ask of our troubled little PCE community.

[peperocket]

Other people are busy doing stuff in real life and don't always have the luxury of hopping on to give a status update.  Its nice to have eyes and ears to let them know if somethings going down.  Who do you think gave them the heads up. 

From what I can see, we now have our status update in lieu of Rover's absence, pepe is getting assistance with his refund request, Emerald hates Rover 4 Lyfe, etc.

I haven't actually seen any indication that pepe is getting assistance with his refund request, but if he is, that's great.  I'm willing to assume that since Keranu stepped up with an update, that someone will privately contact pepe.

Sure, I'm always waiting a solution about that because no real answer or refund at this time !

[Keranu]

Nod hasn't posted on the Frozen Utopia staff board in awhile. Please remain patient, peperocket, I know he will refund you soon enough.

[peperocket]

Thank you for your answer.