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Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
« Reply #60 on: April 23, 2010, 04:52:15 PM »
Well did you start your Octology, or was that just another little joke?  You got some people excited about it in your thread you made!  It would be inept not to deliver, right? :)

how about guessing "mysterious song" and "jungle bros" for pce screenshot quizzes?

Whats with all the BS little comments?  Sounds like pissing-in-cheerios to me.

I wouldn't call anything Rover has done inept.  That's very uncool.   yes Insanity was out on time, but I also was lucky enough that real life didn't get in the way of a hobby project.  It is also way less of a project as far as graphics and content are concerned.   
[Fri 19:34]<nectarsis> been wanting to try that one for awhile now Ope
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« Reply #61 on: April 23, 2010, 05:02:27 PM »
Well did you start your Octology, or was that just another little joke?  You got some people excited about it in your thread you made!  It would be inept not to deliver, right?

I'll answer this question after a bunch of people spend umpteen man-hours providing me with content, and after a bunch of other people pay me money.  It would be silly to call myself inept before reaping the benefits!

Whats with all the BS little comments?  Sounds like pissing-in-cheerios to me.

I never denied pissing in Rover's cheerios.  I denied pissing in the homebrew scene's cheerios.  Two very different things.
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Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
« Reply #62 on: April 23, 2010, 07:44:36 PM »
Emerald, take it somewhere else man. Everyone gets it, you don't like Rover. Whatever. But, I don't see anyone in this thread asking you to come be the great defender of all things pre-ordered. You have been in this thread several times just poking. For no real reason. I saw no posts of anyone crying out for answers, other than yours. No steady series of posts complaining about the time frame for which this game will be released, other than you. See the direction this is moving in.

Do you think some people are cynical enough to think that Rover may have walked off with there money? I would bet there is, but no one who is cynical enough to post it, other than you.

I'm sure if you would take a brief look through most of the threads in these forums you'll see for the most part, we're a pretty tight nit tribe. It seems like people are fairly understanding of the way life works and that things don't always workout as planned. Life hasn't been as gracious to some as it has to others this year. Thats the way things are.

I don't know what happened to the money. Is it sitting in a secure location (bank, under a matress, in a coffee can in someones backyard) I don't know. Is it in some landlords hand because someone had to decide to pay the rent in order to survive? I don't know that either. Yet, something tells me I don't care because one way or another Im sure it will make its way BACK into the hands of the person it belongs too.

When we want your opinion on the subject, well ask and if by some strange series of circumstances there is an outcry for answers that has made its way to you, and no one else, then by all means you will need to  become "The Emerald Defender" protecting the pre-orders of gamers everywhere....
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Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
« Reply #63 on: April 24, 2010, 05:29:32 AM »


Do you think some people are cynical enough to think that Rover may have walked off with there money? I would bet there is, but no one who is cynical enough to post it, other than you.

When we want your opinion on the subject, well ask and if by some strange series of circumstances there is an outcry for answers that has made its way to you, and no one else, then by all means you will need to  become "The Emerald Defender" protecting the pre-orders of gamers everywhere....

Funny that those 2 statements contradict each other.  Maybe no one else has posted because they weren't asked :P  Trust me I have heard the same sentiment as Emerald's from more than a few people, many either don't care to "stir up the pot", or get jumped on by various members.
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« Reply #64 on: April 24, 2010, 07:45:29 AM »
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You have been in this thread several times just poking. For no real reason. I saw no posts of anyone crying out for answers, other than yours

One time I poked because I strongly suspected the game had been delayed, but there had been no announcement here on PCEFX.  Meanwhile, preorders were still open so money could be coming in.  Potential customers needed to know if there had been a delay.  Rover confirmed this and provided a new date.

After quite a bit of time had passed and the new date appeared unattainable, I said nothing.  For a while.  But then I saw Rover in shoutbox blaming the delay on someone else, while simultaneously revealing that person's private life info.  Of course, that person was not present.  That pissed me off -- whether or not the person being blamed would have been pissed -- so that's when I poked again.  Rover confirmed the delay and provided a new date.  His post on here was worded politely and properly, so I dropped it.

Now, someone has tried unsuccessfully to get a response about their money.  In past threads about other people, there would have been an outcry if the seller were unreachable.  Has anyone from FrozenUtopia told this guy what Rover's correct email address is?  Does anyone from FrozenUtopia even know?  Is this guy going to get his money back, or is he going to be fed a story that makes him feel guilty for even asking for his money back?

It's easy to prove me wrong about the money already being spent.  He can just send this guy a refund.  I'd be fine with being wrong.

Rover indicates that this game is close to completion (just waiting on a key piece), but I'm skeptical.  Once the key pieces are together, there's still work to be done, which could be small or large.  What's clear here is that the major components are not finished.  There's only one reason to open pre-orders before all the major components are finished -- THEY NEED MONEY (presumably to fund final stages of development).  Once someone starts taking peoples' money to continue development, there's a new responsibility to respond to the questions and demands of the people who are paying... even if the questions come from just one or two people, and the community-at-large is bizarrely okay with unexplained (until I ask) delays.

Plus, I just don't like him.

Whether or not you like my reasons is one thing.  But to say I've been poking "for no real reason" is incorrect.
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Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
« Reply #65 on: April 24, 2010, 08:22:25 AM »
...there is a reason I never preordered this game.  I too agree that there should be more openness to those who are now essentially investors for the game.  Once it comes out I will get a copy, but in the meantime, it does seem like an uncomfortable situation for those that have already paid.

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« Reply #66 on: April 24, 2010, 08:24:10 AM »
After quite a bit of time had passed and the new date appeared unattainable, I said nothing.  For a while.  But then I saw Rover in shoutbox blaming the delay on someone else, while simultaneously revealing that person's private life info.  Of course, that person was not present.  That pissed me off -- whether or not the person being blamed would have been pissed -- so that's when I poked again.  Rover confirmed the delay and provided a new date.  His post on here was worded politely and properly, so I dropped it.
Why don't you let the person whom the private info concerns decide how they feel about it instead of getting pissed off for them, and poking fun?   When delays occur, it has always been explained in a sensible manner.  The majority of pre-orderers are understanding of real-life having precedence over a hobby/community project.  That's because everyone knows how real life can bitch slap you when you least expect or need it.

I don't mean this the way it's going to sound, but I don't see you doing a similar line of jabbing and prodding in regards to Pier Solar, another long-delayed, extremely preordered homebrew.    What gives? :)  Why the bias attitude?  It's unnecessary.

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Now, someone has tried unsuccessfully to get a response about their money.  In past threads about other people, there would have been an outcry if the seller were unreachable.  Has anyone from FrozenUtopia told this guy what Rover's correct email address is?  Does anyone from FrozenUtopia even know?  Is this guy going to get his money back, or is he going to be fed a story that makes him feel guilty for even asking for his money back?
Why don't you mind your own business?   Yes it is being mentioned publicly, but there are enough frozen utopia members present that the matter ends up going through the proper channels and arriving where it needs to, and is then handled accordingly.   You are aware ParanoiaDragon is part of Frozen Utopia, and already responded?   You'd think with all the investigation fueled by RoverHateTM, you would at least know the other members on the project....?

And even if you aren't aware of who knows what...  So what?  It isn't your business.  Let the relevant people deal with it.  They are here too, and everyone is aware.  You aren't some VIP information holder here on this public forum. :D  Just because it's out in the open doesn't mean you have to get involved.   If you feel the need to assist, maybe you should ask if you can hop on board as the financial overseer and public relations expert for Frozen Utopia?

Or you could start your Octology and see how you fair with dealing with it all while Real Life: The Game is running constantly.


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Rover indicates that this game is close to completion (just waiting on a key piece), but I'm skeptical.  Once the key pieces are together, there's still work to be done, which could be small or large.  What's clear here is that the major components are not finished. 
There is a fully playable beta?  It was reviewed at one point already?  Duh!  I can also vouch for the game being about wrapped up. 

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There's only one reason to open pre-orders before all the major components are finished -- THEY NEED MONEY (presumably to fund final stages of development).  Once someone starts taking peoples' money to continue development, there's a new responsibility to respond to the questions and demands of the people who are paying... even if the questions come from just one or two people, and the community-at-large is bizarrely okay with unexplained (until I ask) delays.

The reason for taking preorder money is the same reason I took preorder money.   It's to front the cost of CD Pressing.   Not to fund the actual development of the game.   The friggin development is free.   Maybe it pays for a 2am coke/cheetoh run or two, but thats about it.

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Plus, I just don't like him.

Letting personal feelings affect your reactions towards a quasi-professional project is wack, sucka.


...there is a reason I never preordered this game.  I too agree that there should be more openness to those who are now essentially investors for the game.  Once it comes out I will get a copy, but in the meantime, it does seem like an uncomfortable situation for those that have already paid.

The problem isn't the lack of openness, its the lack of TIME for openness.  You'll notice, there are large gaps between rover's posts.   

I fully understand people being skeptical, but there is a right way, and a wrong way to go about voicing concerns and looking for answers to problems. 

Case in point:  This thread.

I think it will all work out for the best, and the end result will be a nice game to wave in the faces of the other retro console enthusiasts.

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[Fri 19:34]<nectarsis> been wanting to try that one for awhile now Ope
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Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
« Reply #67 on: April 24, 2010, 08:48:36 AM »
Why don't you let the person whom the private info concerns decide how they feel about it instead of getting pissed off for them

I don't mean this the way it's going to sound, but I don't see you doing a similar line of jabbing and prodding in regards to Pier Solar, another long-delayed, extremely preordered homebrew.    What gives? :)  Why the bias attitude?  It's unnecessary.

Like you white knighting for Rover.  Shouldn't HE be dealing with this...he has logged on not that long ago (4/18).

Pier Solar is irrelevant to this convo, it's about MS.


"Why don't you mind your own business?  Just because it's out in the open doesn't mean you have to get involved."

Ironic..what business of yours is it?  You KEEP getting involved..whats good for the goose...



"The problem isn't the lack of openness, its the lack of TIME for openness.  You'll notice, there are large gaps between rover's posts."

Yet he does lurk somewhat regularly.  Frankly with the previous thread calling him out on $ issues, etc.  maybe people SHOULD be posting more about this.  I can see things getting worked out, but frankly calling this 5+ year journey, and the lack of updates/communication "quasi-professional" it's not being handled properly/professionally (especially keeping people in the loop).

It's funny you are doing EXACTLY the same things you're jumping on Emerald for.  This is no more your business than it is his, it's obvious you don't likr Emerald, but rag onhim for acting the same.  Double standards fail.
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Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
« Reply #68 on: April 24, 2010, 10:01:36 AM »
I can say in all honesty that the majority of the game is and has been done. Some people may have a really hard time grasping the idea that people in the development team are in real life crises, but that is ultimately the reason why MSR hasn't been released yet. Don't believe me? Look at The Old Rover and Black_Tiger's post history. Notice how posts have been few and far between? From what they've been able to tell us in their free time, they are both going through really hard shit right now. Both of them are honest people so just because they aren't able to respond to something immediately is no reason to discredit them. I'm sure we've all been in situations where we need to do something but can't because of something more important getting in the way.

Now here's some good news for you all. Black_Tiger, as far as I know, is done drawing (and I think even digitally painting) all the cinemas. He posted his work recently on the private Frozen Utopia forum and it's phenomenal. The only thing left that needs to be done on his part are the final touches, which I assume includes various design touch ups, color reduction, and some color swapping and anti-aliasing. Nod has told us he is finally settling down in his new home and will be back on a coding binge to try and wrap all of this up. The best part about all of this is that when one member starts working hard it motivates the entire group to work hard as well. The remainder of MSR may be in Nod and BT's hands, but the rest of us are making progess on other projects in the mean time. ;)

The state that Mysterious Song has been in since last fall is a product that's essentially something we could've released back in 2005 with what we had planned back then. Beta testers can (and well, have :P) pop the game in and play it from beginning to end with relatively few minor bugs. The catch is that there are no cinemas and not all the hidden content we have planned; things that weren't intended to be included in 2005. I can gaurantee that MSR will be released, it's just way too far along to be cancelled now. If some people want to be sour about it, that's fine. But to those that have been patiently waiting, we thank you and we ask that you keep hanging in there with us.
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« Reply #69 on: April 24, 2010, 10:13:50 AM »
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Thank you for the update, Keranu.
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« Reply #70 on: April 24, 2010, 10:56:36 AM »
Thanks for the update Keranu.

At times I tend to wonder what stage of finishing the game is in (as I have pre-ordered it long ago).  I do realize that things happen all the time that can take people away from the project and that's totally understandable.  What kind of sucks is just the fact that those of us who have sent our money in, don't really get updated with what's going on.  I do have faith that it will not only be finished but be totally badass.  I guess my only request would be that ANYONE at all involved in the project just throw us a little update here and there.  I don't want an estimated completion date (as shit can happen to throw that off), what I would prefer would be just a little info on the progress.

Once again thank you for the update that you just posted.  It's appreciated.
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« Reply #71 on: April 24, 2010, 01:39:16 PM »
Like you white knighting for Rover.  Shouldn't HE be dealing with this...he has logged on not that long ago (4/18).

Ironic..what business of yours is it?  You KEEP getting involved..whats good for the goose...

It's funny you are doing EXACTLY the same things you're jumping on Emerald for.  This is no more your business than it is his,
The thing of it is, it is just as much my business as it is Frozen Utopia's.  Us PCE devvers stick together and back each other up.   You always seem to complain and speak out when this occurs.  I frequent the forums muuuuch more than the rest of Frozen Utopia does, so rather than sit back and let the shit fly unchecked, I would rather step in and help settle things.  Why should someone who is letting personal grudges influence things get to spew crap unchecked?   

You don't step in to say anything about that or the other petty jabs that are peppered across the forum, but you step in to tell me I'm being a hypocrite?  Gimme a break. 

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it's obvious you don't likr Emerald, but rag onhim for acting the same.  Double standards fail.
I don't have a problem with Emerald.   Despite what you may think....So, what was that about fail? :)

I just don't dig on people letting personal opinions towards one person fuel their actions towards a bigger picture.

So, spare me your typical insight.  It ain't doing much.
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[Fri 19:34]<nectarsis> been wanting to try that one for awhile now Ope
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« Reply #72 on: April 24, 2010, 01:56:12 PM »
The thing of it is, it is just as much my business as it is Frozen Utopia's.  Us PCE devvers stick together and back each other up.

So, spare me your typical insight.  It ain't doing much.


Regardless you aren't part of FU, yet you feel the need to be their "mouthpiece" but can condemn others that it's "none of their business."  Yep that IS fail.  It is no more your business than Emerald or anyone else's.

Funny I've seen Rover on not that long ago, Keranu has posted, PD has posted, hell Black Tiger has been on a few times.  They seem to be on more than enough to take of THEIR business/speak for themselves.  As Roy stated updates, you know communicating with people that sent $ for a game, yet get almost no updates seems to be a bad thing eh?  You would think there would be more direct action/someone alerting Rover, etc than what amounts to basically excuses.  We all know that "life" gets in the way/shit happens.  Five minutes to post updates is hardly that taxing.
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« Reply #73 on: April 24, 2010, 02:32:00 PM »
Regardless you aren't part of FU, yet you feel the need to be their "mouthpiece" but can condemn others that it's "none of their business."  Yep that IS fail.  It is no more your business than Emerald or anyone else's.
Not being part of FU doesn't change the fact I'm in contact with the crew every day, talking about stuff and keeping present about things.  It's not like were all secret covert groups that don't chat/share things daily.

Its not really condemning someone when you point out that they're nosing into other peoples business for personal reasons.  besides, I am not the only one who thinks Emerald needs to take his grudge elsewhere.  You should stop focusing on declaring fail, and start focusing on the actual point here, unless you're cool with grudge filled instigation on the forum.  Drama's always fun amirite?



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Funny I've seen Rover on not that long ago, Keranu has posted, PD has posted, hell Black Tiger has been on a few times.  They seem to be on more than enough to take of THEIR business/speak for themselves.  As Roy stated updates, you know communicating with people that sent $ for a game, yet get almost no updates seems to be a bad thing eh?  You would think there would be more direct action/someone alerting Rover, etc than what amounts to basically excuses.  We all know that "life" gets in the way/shit happens.  Five minutes to post updates is hardly that taxing.
Well, it's common knowledge Keranu doesn't post here often.  Other people are busy doing stuff in real life and don't always have the luxury of hopping on to give a status update.  Its nice to have eyes and ears to let them know if somethings going down.  Who do you think gave them the heads up. 

From what I can see, we now have our status update in lieu of Rover's absence, pepe is getting assistance with his refund request, Emerald hates Rover 4 Lyfe, etc.

so........ I think everyone, me included, now needs to stfu about it and do something else.  Unless they have something upbeat and positive to say.
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« Reply #74 on: April 24, 2010, 03:29:51 PM »


Its not really condemning someone when you point out that they're nosing into other peoples business for personal reasons.

Drama's always fun amirite?

Well, it's common knowledge Keranu doesn't post here often.  Other people are busy doing stuff in real life and don't always have the luxury of hopping on to give a status update.  Its nice to have eyes and ears to let them know if somethings going down.  Who do you think gave them the heads up.

so........ I think everyone, me included, now needs to stfu about it and do something else.  Unless they have something upbeat and positive to say.

Funny as Emerald is far from the only one that has mentioned the same concerns.  He just seems to have the balls to voice them.

You admit to liking forum drama, you tell me.

Other members of the team are logged on regularly weather they post or not (and before these posts started).  They are on, so no hurting your arm patting yourself on the back that you gave them the "heads up."  MAYBE if things would be checked on in a "quasi professional" manner stuff like this wouldn't pop up ya think?

As for that last part..the hippy hall monitor kumbayah crap is old man.  How many times you gonna pull the STFU, blah blah only positive crap.  That's not the way it's gonna be all the time, deal with it.  If people can't take criticism (weather you feel it's right/warranted/whatever) that's just sad.
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