Scratched Dynastic Hero incomplete on EBay

[MotherGunner]

Wow so the winning bidder is on these forums lol.  Roy's scenario played out just like he called it.

I think the seller is still being not completely honest but oh well.  Maybe someday I'll score this game.

[blueraven]

Considering the fact that Dynastic Hero is on the Virtual Console, I somewhat surprised that it still selling for over $400.

Not really. Its not like people who pay $400 for Dynastic Hero actually play these games.

Have you ever played KOF with someone who has a huge AES collection? Its pathetic.

 

[RoyVegas]

This is the second sale when he put it back up after the buyer backed out:

THE DYNASTIC HERO TURBO GRAFX 16 (WORKS GREAT)DUO TURBO GRAFX 16 (WORKS GREAT) RARE  Back up for sell because sombody told the winning bidding it was all scatched up. when it was up for bid sombody ask if it was scratched and i tell all bidders all my games are scratched up so if they scratch it they dont say I did it .I had the bidding starting at $39.00 I didn't know it was worth alot. when it sold for $350 I look at CD and said to my self wow nice shape no scatches. I also now have the mint manual that come with it.  this time putting pictures up of the inside shows its a nice cd.

Here is what it says now:

THE DYNASTIC HERO TURBO GRAFX 16 (WORKS GREAT)DUO TURBO GRAFX 16 (WORKS GREAT) RARE   Has few fine scracthes hard to see no deep scracthes looks great almost say no scracthes. Also have Mint manual that comes with it.

Seriously man, is it scratched or isn't it scratched?  Make up your mind! 

[BlackandBlue]

He doesn't seem to be all that great at English, so maybe that's where the problem is spawning from. Not to say I know what this disc looks like, but I have games that have some light scratches and would let someone know if they asked. Probably the same thing here. He probably said it in a way that just made it sound like it was scratched more than it really is. But then again, I could be completely wrong, so don't buy this game and bitch at me if it is in bad condition   Hell, if I could get myself to spend $400 on a game (besides MC, that I'll probably never own), I'd pick this up myself.

[SignOfZeta]

Ignore Zeta; he's just bitter.  He'll never comprehend that some people may earn more than him and/or have a better grasp on their finances and be capable of saving towards a goal.

Uh...you're not actually pretending that people with large TG-16 or AES collections are inherently wealthy and/or good with their money, are you? That's...extremely disingenuous. A hard thing to prove either way, I admit, but highly unlikely. I'd be more likely to believe it if so many completist-types weren't turning around and selling off most or all of their shit not long after collecting it.

And basically saying that I'm jealous of rich people is just elitist hoity toity crap. Rich people and/or people who are good with their money don't spend thousands of dollars on silly shit like this. Ask any (non-entertainer) millionaire, or even some doctor in the $400,000+ a year category how big his TG-16 collection is sometime. I imagine his response will be something like "What are you talking about, you pathetic little man?". You guys aren't rollers or wise investors, you're just fanboys like me but with a really messed up sense of economic priorities that are different from my messed up sense of priorities.

And either way, certainly the price tag is independent of enjoying the game itself. I mean, Dynastic Hero is nice, but it isn't $400 nice. If any TG-16 was $400 good, it wouldn't be this one. The love of playing a game and the love of paying for it are separate.

Anyway, my point is that the materialism overshadows the love of the art in the case of most collectors. It isn't just games, the same is true of Ferraris that never get driven, houses that never get lived in, horses never ridden, guns never fired, paintings never looked at. This is why coins are the perfect collectable. Their sole purpose of its being is to be spent, yet the very act of collecting them makes this impossible by definition so once it is decided to "collect" them you automatically make then worthless in any practical way. This way you don't have to pretend to enjoy using them.

If someone who owns an original US KOF 2000 AES cart can beat me in that game then I'll take it all back. I promise. We'll have to find a guy who still has enough money left over for two working sticks after blowing his tax return on the cart!

[Necromancer]

Uh...you're not actually pretending that people with large TG-16 or AES collections are inherently wealthy and/or good with their money, are you?

Not exactly.  I said that some people make enough and/or save enough to be able to acquire their collection.  Assuming they didn't rob a bank to buy games, wouldn't that statement have to be true?

That's...extremely disingenuous.

As is saying that nobody would play a game after purchasing it for $400.  Some won't, some will.

A hard thing to prove either way, I admit, but highly unlikely. I'd be more likely to believe it if so many completist-types weren't turning around and selling off most or all of their shit not long after collecting it.

That does happen an awful lot, but that doesn't mean that all of them will soon go broke (or lose interest) and sell everything.

And basically saying that I'm jealous of rich people is just elitist hoity toity crap.

I didn't 'basically' say anything of the sort; bitterness and lack of understanding do not imply jealousy.

Rich people and/or people who are good with their money don't spend thousands of dollars on silly shit like this. Ask any (non-entertainer) millionaire, or even some doctor in the $400,000+ a year category how big his TG-16 collection is sometime. I imagine his response will be something like "What are you talking about, you pathetic little man?". You guys aren't rollers or wise investors, you're just fanboys like me but with a really messed up sense of economic priorities that are different from my messed up sense of priorities.

I never said that one would need to be even moderately wealthy to amass a complete TG-16 collection, so I don't know where this line of shit is coming from.  What would such a collection cost anyway, $4000 or so?  Whooptydoo.

[nectarsis]

And basically saying that I'm jealous of rich people is just elitist hoity toity crap. Rich people and/or people who are good with their money don't spend thousands of dollars on silly shit like this. Ask any (non-entertainer) millionaire, or even some doctor in the $400,000+ a year category how big his TG-16 collection is sometime. I imagine his response will be something like "What are you talking about, you pathetic little man?". You guys aren't rollers or wise investors, you're just fanboys like me but with a really messed up sense of economic priorities that are different from my messed up sense of priorities.

As many of these people own multiple properties (sometimes just because they can), more cars than days of the week ("toys"), fly on private planes when even flying first class, much less the much more fiscally responsible business/coach class.  These same people that (more than likely) have no clue what a TG is have their own "messed up sense of priorities" to a majority of the people.  BTW..my brother $200,000+, his wife $same..and even a few of his bosses in the near $500,000+ know, and like/love the TG/videogames.

[Sparky]

christ, Zeta is a broken record and here comes the coin story again, look your a PCE fanboy and thats great i love the system to but cut the TG16 guys a break. You dont "get" the TG16 collectors/gamers well the tg16 guys dont care or get you Zeta. Hey dont get bitter your ok in my books but in the end no one wins as you like what ya like.

[TheClash603]

Anyone who would spend $400 on a mediocre game is an idiot.

Then again we live in a nation of idiots... we reelected G W Bush

Then again I voted for him 2nd term.

And I would prob pay $400 for a mediocre game.

[MotherGunner]

Anyone who would spend $400 on a mediocre game is an idiot.


And I would prob pay $400 for a mediocre game.

Wait so does this make you an idiot?  Seriously guy I see your point but you are in a forum where the collecting [market] is very niche.  So it seems like a contradiction unless you're actually joking.  Also leave the BS politics at the door. 

It's your right to free speech but it's my right to not have to read it.

[SignOfZeta]

christ, Zeta is a broken record and here comes the coin story again, look your a PCE fanboy and thats great i love the system to but cut the TG16 guys a break. You dont "get" the TG16 collectors/gamers well the tg16 guys dont care or get you Zeta. Hey dont get bitter your ok in my books but in the end no one wins as you like what ya like.

This isn't a TG-16 versus PCE thing. The TG-16 library gives people less game for more money, and that has always seemed hella stupid to me, but me going at it here is just a blanket contempt for overpaying for stuff in general. I say the same shit about PCE games or anything else.

And it is like a broken record, but is it any more of a broken record than you guys starting the ten billionth "so and so is an eBay scammer" thread? I mean, how many of those have we seen? And seriously, who cares? No eBay seller can f*ck you guys over worse than you f*ck over yourself by paying $400 for a game. What difference does it make if one game on eBay may or may not have a scratch on it? At $400 you're clearly paying for prestige not functionality.

I'm not good with my money, and I'm not going to pretend that I am. In the last year I spend probably $6000-7000 on my car, which seems extreme to many people. But I drove that car to autocross events from Oscoda to Nashville having fun and meeting all sorts of cool people. Its extremely satisfying to rescue a blown out jalopy and turn it into something that handles amazingly well and gets comments everywhere I go knowing you did all the work yourself, and that the car would be scrap if you didn't save it. It was fun messing with different suspension set-ups, trying to beat the other CSP cars by 1/10 of a second. I drove it to Tennessee to meet up with an old Street Fighter friend from back in the day, and we both drove the car during an event there finishing off a set of cheap all-season tires for good. Some of the things that didn't seem so fun at the time now make for good memories. Like the time when we had to pack dozens of books into the (puny) trunk because my girlfriend and I got a good deal on them 8 hours away from home, or even the time when soon after I got the car the trunk carpet caught fire when I was going down the highway. This year its going ice racing on the Saginaw Bay (assuming Global Warming doesn't f*ck that up).

I did all this cool fun stuff, got out and met people and had real experiences. I could have stayed at home and clicked "Buy It Now" on some lame-ass video games, and the only story I would have had would about the thrilling time I had trying to track down the f*cking cardboard box that goes along with it.

I would pay $400 for a game if I were about three times as well off as I am. Instead, I bought a house. If I did pay $400 for a game (my current record is a measly $114) it would be after I did the trans-Siberian express, went sky diving, swam with dolphins, drove a vintage Jag at the Goodwood Revival, attended a Word Cup Final match, and had a really killer record collection. When I did buy the game (lets say, Sapphire) it would be in person at some shop in Akiba during a trip where I was doing all sorts of other cool shit at the same time.

$400 will buy a round trip ticket to Paris. They have good game shops in Paris!

By all means blow your money. All of it. You can't take it will you so live it up, but try to broaden your horizons for f*cks's sake. And always pay cash.

[BlackandBlue]

Hey Zeta, just curiuos... What kind of car?  I understand the car thing, seeing as I have dumped close to $10k on mine over the years.

[Sparky]

And it is like a broken record, but is it any more of a broken record than you guys starting the ten billionth "so and so is an eBay scammer" thread? I mean, how many of those have we seen? And seriously, who cares? No eBay seller can f*ck you guys over worse than you f*ck over yourself by paying $400 for a game. What difference does it make if one game on eBay may or may not have a scratch on it? At $400 you're clearly paying for prestige not functionality.

hey, well played and i agree with the ten billionth posts by "us"......

but you put all collectors in the same f*cking pot, the most i have paid for a game is a $130 and i hated doing it, even for my Magical Chase it was done in trade, there is no way i will spend the money values of what these games are so called worth. I am more of a collector these days ya, but i would be more of a gamer if i did not have kids and a demanding job <<violin starts to play>> but i am smart collector, patient and good f*cking guy and i DO play them more with friends as it ia a hell of a lot more fun.

I just hate your generalizing that we all go to ebay (i never go) and click the button and wait in our houses rubbing our hands until the goods arrive. We all got a life and mine is probably better than yours <<cool pose>> .

Again i hear what your saying but open your eyes and realize a few bad/stupid collectors that push those ebay buttons do not speak for all of us.

[darcotrigger]

Zeta, cars are cool, don't let anyone tell you any different. I drive a 2010 Mustang GT and I've always got at least 1 classic (currently a Dart Swinger) so I can get my hands dirty too.  BTW, I also bought a house. I also have bought some reasonably expensive games. I also enjoy taking girls out for steak and lobster.  Guess what? I'm not rich either. Fairly well off perhaps, but certainly not rich.

As far as TG-16 vs PCE...... what the hell man?! Can't people just enjoy both? I love the TG-16 for the nostalgia that it has for me. I only had the TG-16 back in the day, so it's nostalgic to play the Hu's and rad to play the CD's that I couldn't back then. I love a lot of the PCE only games too.

Thing is, whenever I have to choose between regions there are a few factors that come into play. The first is price, the second is the differences between versions. The last is if the game has a lot of text. I dislike having to use a translation or an f.a.q. for a Japanese game that I could just play in english. I don't care if Dynastic is only $20 on PCE. The little amount of text in that is enough to push me towards the US game.

Now, as far as buying expensive games goes, understand this. My father would play Atari 2600 before I cold even walk. I am a gamer, it's a part of who I am. Over the last decade though, I have been having a harder and harder time finding titles that I am interested in. I'm getting old and am no longer the target demographic for developers. I would rather spend $400 on a classic game I'll play the hell out of then $50 on a new game that I'll play for a week and get bored of. It's all about the enjoyablilty of gameplay.

I've bought some rare/expensive games like my US Rage of the Dragons or my US KOF2003 homecarts that I simply did not love. $300-$359 each and I didn't really dig them. Not to say I hated them, but I ended up selling both games because I never really wanted to play them. I see no point in keeping games just because they are rare and valuable, I keep the games I love.

Also understand that you won't find me going crazy trying to buy a complete Turbo collection when many of the games are clearly turds (face it - it's true). I will only buy a high end game once in a while and when I do that's it for a while, I spent my gaming funds and that's the game I'll sit and play until it's mastered.

I guess what I'm saying is that not everyone just buys 10K in homcarts and then sells them the next month and not everyone who buys an expensive game bought it as an investment. I really am of the school of thought that you should only buy the games you want to play. The difference between you and I is thatI won't sh!t down somebodies throat for enjoying something on a different level. If you gotta catch'em all, go ahead and do it.

Now if you'll excuse me, I've gotta drag my butt out of bed and go earn some $$$$$.

[geddon_jt]

Some of you guys are far too quick to judge and/or pigeonhole people.

I bought my Dynastic Hero back in 2003 for $350. At the time, it was close to a high-end price for the game. Yes, I could have bought the Japanese version for about $20. Here are the reasons I bought it:

1. I wanted to play it. In English, NOT Japanese. This is actually very important to me. I hate playing games in Japanese.
2. I am a huge Wonder Boy series fan, and I own, and have beaten, every other game in the series released in the US.
3. I am a huge Turbo Grafx / Duo fan, ever since I got my Turbo in 1989.
4. I had wanted it ever since TZD sold them new for $50 (stupid me - should have bought it then).
5. It was one of the last games I needed to complete my complete Turbo set.

I was super excited when the game arrived, and it was the only game I played for the next 3 days or so until I finished it. It's been on my shelf ever since, although I have gone back and played it a few times since then.

The same sort of story holds true for a lot of games in my collection. I have been collecting a very long time and am very fortunate to have amassed quite a few very valuable titles, including 70+ Neo Geo AES games, a few of which cost even more than what I paid for DH. Did I play them? Of course I did. I can hold my own in any KOF, and I am unbeatable at Last Blade 2 with about 8 different characters. I also don't give a damn about "prestige" of owning games. In fact, this is one of the only times I have ever posted anything about my personal collection on any website, even Neo-geo.com, which I have been a moderator at for 9 years. There is a collection page there where people "show off" their stuff, but I have never been interested in other people gawking at my collection.

I have been fortunate enough, financially speaking, where I haven't needed to sell a game from my personal collection in years to free up cash, etc. However, if I did sell the DH now, I could probably get another $150 out of it above what I paid, due to its flawless condition and current market trends. In the meantime, if I get the urge to play it, I can pop it in anytime I want. If something crazy happens and I need money, it basically works out to me being paid $150 to own, play and enjoy a rare game for 5 years. Do these things make me stupid for buying it? Do I have more money than I know what to do with? Absolutely not.

Don't be so quick to conclude that people paying hundreds for games are doing so because they are idiots, or because they just want the "prestige", or that they don't want to play it, etc. It simply isn't always true.