if blacks made whites, why is it that whites were in houses/advancing technology/etc. while blacks were still running around being tribal
and getting enslaved and brought here?
Did they set this all up to torture themselves?
Firstly, to say that blacks were "running around and being tribal" makes a mockery of African history, even "sub-saharan" Africa. Prior to European contact and colonization of west Africa, centralized empires had began to develop after contact with Muslims. I would recommend taking at least a glance at a couple of wiki pages on the topic for quick reading:
Songhai Empire and
Timbuktu. Timbuktu, as the page says, "is assumed to have had one of the first universities in the world."
If you're into books on the subject, I would recommend checking out
They came before Columbus: The African presence in Ancient AmericaSecondly, to respond to the other parts of your question, the "why" and the "was it to torture themselves?"....
As we are taught by the Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad, the making of the white race was not a project undertaken by "black people in general" or even by any group of aurhorities (people in power) of that time....
According to the Nation of Islam, it was one black guy who created whites. I guess he felt that only whites could rule and enslave. I think most will agree that whites are physically weaker, so why he would choose to "create" a weaker race to rule is beyond my comprehension. But again, it's all fairy tales from the Nation o' Islam.
It was not one black guy who made the white race, but it was one black man who came up with the idea to make the white race, who subsequently attracted followers and developed an institution which finished the process. As Joe argued earlier in the thread, it would take a long time from start to finish to complete the selective breeding process necessary.
The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad teaches us that the process took 600 years, of which Yakub, the black man who started the process, only lived to see a portion of.
I'll quote from the Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad's book, Message to the Blackman in America, pages 110 to 111 (text bolded):
According to the word of Allah to me, 'Mr. Yakub was seen by the twenty-three Scientists of the black nation, over 15,000 years ago. They predicted that in the year 8,400 (what was in our calendar year before this world of the white race), this man (Yakub) would be born twenty miles from the present Holy City, Mecca, Arabia. And, that at the time of his birth, the satisfaction and dissatisfaction of the people would be: - 70 per cent satisfied, 30 per cent dissatisfied.'
And, that when this man is born, he will change civilization (the world), and produce a new race of people, who would rule the original black nation for 6,000 years (from the nine thousandth year to the fifteen thousandth year).
After that time, the original black nation would give birth to one, whose wisdom, Knowledge and power would be infinite. One, whom the world would recognize as being the greatest and mightiest God, since the creation of the universe. And, that He would destroy Yakub's world and restore the original nation, or ancient nation, into power to rule forever....
Mr Yakub was, naturally, born out of the 30 per cent dissatisfied. As we know, wherever there is a longing or demand for a change, nature will produce that man, who will bring it about.-----
At this point I would like to break from the discussion to question Joe: What was your original motivation in deliberately insulting my religious beliefs? (Nation of Islam isn't real Islam, they are racists)
I posted this thread to share the news of the London Mosque being raided, or as it turns out, having its door broken, by London police. I didn't originally post it to discuss my religious beliefs or black history, though both topics are certainly important to me. If Ceti Alpha, for example, posted a news story about an atheist organization being raided by police, I wouldn't respond to the post by insulting his atheist beliefs, no matter how I feel about them!
Also, I don't mean to avoid anyones questions or arguments here by any means. I am totally fine with continuing the discussion that has broken out.
