Turbo Gouging on Ebay ( r.i.p. - gouging much )

[Necromancer]

JJ of price charting has better things to do with his time than purposefully delete database entries of Ebay sales.

Maybe so, but that doesn't make his search algorithms infallible.  In past arguments with maroons (such as yourself), I posted two auctions of whatever title was being discussed that were omitted from his list, and others (Prof.?) have done the same a couple times too.  Chalk it up to poorly worded titles, incomplete descriptions, or the price gouging faerie - whatever the reason, it is an absolute fact that pricecharting is unreliable.

P.S. - We're still waiting for an answer on why you feel compelled to return to this thread.

[BigusSchmuck]

JJ of price charting has better things to do with his time than purposefully delete database entries of Ebay sales.

Maybe so, but that doesn't make his search algorithms infallible.  In past arguments with maroons (such as yourself), I posted two auctions of whatever title was being discussed that were omitted from his list, and others (Prof.?) have done the same a couple times too.  Chalk it up to poorly worded titles, incomplete descriptions, or the price gouging faerie - whatever the reason, it is an absolute fact that pricecharting is unreliable.

P.S. - We're still waiting for an answer on why you feel compelled to return to this thread.

Maybe because that's his auction? Or a pal he knows? Either way, its ludicrous.

[DarkKobold]

JJ of price charting has better things to do with his time than purposefully delete database entries of Ebay sales.

Maybe so, but that doesn't make his search algorithms infallible.  In past arguments with maroons (such as yourself), I posted two auctions of whatever title was being discussed that were omitted from his list, and others (Prof.?) have done the same a couple times too.  Chalk it up to poorly worded titles, incomplete descriptions, or the price gouging faerie - whatever the reason, it is an absolute fact that pricecharting is unreliable.

P.S. - We're still waiting for an answer on why you feel compelled to return to this thread.

Price Charting only includes items listed in the correct category on ebay. Its not a search algorithm, per se, it just use categories. So an item listed in just Video Games > Video Games won't ever make the list. Like wise, a copy of Keith Courage listed in Video Games > Video Games > Dungeon Explorer II will get listed in Dungeon Explorer II. So yeah, it isn't perfect. Its a resource, but I consider the data far more reliable than hazy memories of previous sales that are all magically beneath the sales listed in the proper category.

When name-calling fails, you resort to distraction. Nothing changes the initial point. "DE2 sells for less than $200 on ebay" is false.

[FiftyQuid]

$129.99 for a Bomberman '93 box and manual w/ tray.  No game.  Really?  Admittedly it's a mint box/manual, but REALLY?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bomberman-93-Mint-package-EVERYTHING-BUT-THE-GAME-TurboGrafx-16-TurboDuo-/400482919662?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d3ea464ee

[Necromancer]

Nothing changes the initial point. "DE2 sells for less than $200 on ebay" is false.

For BT's statement to be false, there couldn't be a single auction that ended under $200; yet your pricecharting link shows two instances where it sold for ~$150¹, and it sold just last week for under $200² (barely under, but under nonetheless).  No doubt there are even more instances; I'll trust BT's and Prof.'s memories long before I'll trust the demonstrably flawed pricecharting site.

And we're still waiting for an explanation of why you hang out in this thread so much.

¹ - They were six months ago, but so what?  BT didn't stipulate a time frame; you applied that arbitrary limit to better your argument.
² - Note that even though this auction is properly listed, it doesn't show up on your beloved pricecharting.

[DarkKobold]

Nothing changes the initial point. "DE2 sells for less than $200 on ebay" is false.

For BT's statement to be false, there couldn't be a single auction that ended under $200; yet your pricecharting link shows two instances where it sold for ~$150¹, and it sold just last week for under $200² (barely under, but under nonetheless).  No doubt there are even more instances; I'll trust BT's and Prof.'s memories long before I'll trust the demonstrably flawed pricecharting site.

And we're still waiting for an explanation of why you hang out in this thread so much.

¹ - They were six months ago, but so what?  BT didn't stipulate a time frame; you applied that arbitrary limit to better your argument.
² - Note that even though this auction is properly listed, it doesn't show up on your beloved pricecharting.

1. The price of a share of Apple was $610 in August of 2013. It is currently $460. If I claimed Apple Stock was worth $610, that would be complete bullshit. Prices change. Also, there are two links between now and August 2013 in that list that ARE less than $200, which are disc only. Saying the statement "It sells for less than $200" gives the notion that you can easily get a complete copy for less than $200 on a routine basis. Good luck with that. 

2. That listing is a BIN, not an auction. Pricecharting only stores auction results. plcards got Bonk 3 for $20 off a BIN. I'd doubt anyone would claim that the current going rate for Bonk 3 is $20.

I've made it clear that I don't care about your question. Feel free to include it in every response.

[Black Tiger]

Has there ever been a year long streak when DEII sold complete on eBay for an average price of $400? Blindly basing a game's value or "worth" stats alone would mean that for DEII to be worth $400 to a mindless robot*, $400 would have to be the consistent average selling price, not the top end of a spectrum skewed by rich insta collectors.

Record highs only have meaning to resellers looking to gouge even higher. The lower end of regular sold pricesare what concern buyers looking for value and not bragging rights.

There are local stores that sell new games at msrp, some that price everything $10 above and others that price everything $10 below. The overpriced stores with stock rotting on shelves do not reflect tge true value or "worth" of the games.


*Real humans possess common sense and can interpret stats. If you are a real game fan looking to buy a particular game (without planning to ever sell it) and it regularly sells for <$200 as often as it does for <$400, what are you going to perceive the game's monetary worth to be? If you use the unique power of the human mind to factor in how it so often fails to sell for asking prices of <$400, yet rarely remains unsold at <$200... as well as incorporate the knowledge that gougers purposely buy up games at lower end prices with the intent to flip them at top end or even higher prices (an artificial manipulation attempt)... it should be a no-brainer, as long as you have a human brain and use it.

Nothing changes the initial point. "DE2 sells for less than $200 on ebay" is false.

For BT's statement to be false, there couldn't be a single auction that ended under $200; yet your pricecharting link shows two instances where it sold for ~$150¹, and it sold just last week for under $200² (barely under, but under nonetheless).  No doubt there are even more instances; I'll trust BT's and Prof.'s memories long before I'll trust the demonstrably flawed pricecharting site.

And we're still waiting for an explanation of why you hang out in this thread so much.

¹ - They were six months ago, but so what?  BT didn't stipulate a time frame; you applied that arbitrary limit to better your argument.
² - Note that even though this auction is properly listed, it doesn't show up on your beloved pricecharting.

1. The price of a share of Apple was $610 in August of 2013. It is currently $460. If I claimed Apple Stock was worth $610, that would be complete bullshit. Prices change. Also, there are two links between now and August 2013 in that list that ARE less than $200, which are disc only. Saying the statement "It sells for less than $200" gives the notion that you can easily get a complete copy for less than $200 on a routine basis. Good luck with that. 

2. That listing is a BIN, not an auction. Pricecharting only stores auction results. plcards got Bonk 3 for $20 off a BIN. I'd doubt anyone would claim that the current going rate for Bonk 3 is $20.

I've made it clear that I don't care about your question. Feel free to include it in every response.

1. Games aren't an investment. They are created with a completely different purpose and use. This kind of thinking puts you at odds with the forum and only applies to pro resellers. Citing the stock market as a legitimate and natural and infallable  market is a joke in itself.

2. So record highs are fact and record lows are meaninglesss?

[DarkKobold]

*Real humans possess common sense and can interpret stats. If you are a real game fan looking to buy a particular game (without planning to ever sell it) and it regularly sells for <$200 as often as it does for <$400, what are you going to perceive the game's monetary worth to be? If you use the unique power of the human mind to factor in how it so often fails to sell for asking prices of <$400, yet rarely remains unsold at <$200... as well as incorporate the knowledge that gougers purposely buy up games at lower end prices with the intent to flip them at top end or even higher prices (an artificial manipulation attempt)... it should be a no-brainer, as long as you have a human brain and use it.

I didn't say I thought it was worth $400 permanently. I think that notion is as ridiculous as saying it is still worth $200. The only people getting it for less than $200 in the last year got disc only. Condition matters.

You said, to an effect, that it NEVER was worth > $400. It sold once for $460. That isn't never.

as well as incorporate the knowledge that gougers purposely buy up games at lower end prices with the intent to flip them at top end or even higher prices (an artificial manipulation attempt)

How often it fails to sell? That is hilarious.

#1, Its no longer artificial if they sell.

#2, "Gougers" aren't buy games at "lower end prices." There is NO value in that. plcards (a non-top-rated seller), the epicenter of reselling, buys stuff WAY below market value, and flips it.

Do the math: Ebay+paypal charges 13.2% for a listing, including shipping. Lets say the low end for soldier blade is $70, and the high end is $90. If you buy it for $70, and sell it for $90, you actually get 90 * .868 = 78.12 - $2 shipping - $0.30 PP fee - $70 purchase = $5.82 profit. Only an idiot would think that a reseller would go to that effort to make $5.82. Or a paranoid delusional person who thinks resellers would waste their time and effort to make $5.82 in profit, because they are part of an EVIL RESELLER NETWORK. That said, I bet if plc sees that soldier blade for $50, he will resell it. Its about profit, not some crazy conspiracy theory.

Speaking of using your brain...

[vestcoat]

Whoa, whoa, whoa... slow down here. Let me get this straight: DK disagrees with views expressed in the gouging thread?!?

[Necromancer]

1. The price of a share of Apple was $610 in August of 2013. It is currently $460. If I claimed Apple Stock was worth $610, that would be complete bullshit.

eBay = NASDAQ. 

When a stock is listed simultaneously on multiple exchanges, at varying prices within a single exchange, and from multiple sellers who can set the price at whatever they want, you'll have a point; in the mean time, you're an idiot.

2. That listing is a BIN, not an auction. Pricecharting only stores auction results.

Making it even more worthless.

plcards got Bonk 3 for $20 off a BIN. I'd doubt anyone would claim that the current going rate for Bonk 3 is $20.

I agree it's not the going price, yet it does factor into the game's overall value.  Similarly, a reasonable person wouldn't look at the sale of a single copy of DEII at $460 and say that every copy was worth the same amount.

I've made it clear that I don't care about your question. Feel free to include it in every response.

You can't answer why you're such a whiny cunt, eh?  I guess it'll remain a mystery for the ages.

I didn't say I thought it was worth $400 permanently.

Neither did BT state that a single copy never sold for $400+.  There's a big difference between a single sale price and a titles average worth.  Duh!

The only people getting it for less than $200 in the last year got disc only. Condition matters.

You mean in the last six months and not in BINs, right clownshoes?  Complete copies have sold at least FOUR times in the past year for less than $200 - 1, 2, 3, 4!

You said, to an effect, that it NEVER was worth > $400. It sold once for $460. That isn't never.

Again, a single sale does not dictate the worth of every single copy in existence.  Again, duh!

#2, "Gougers" aren't buy games at "lower end prices." There is NO value in that. plcards (a non-top-rated seller), the epicenter of reselling, buys stuff WAY below market value, and flips it.

Ha!  We've seen plcards and other resellers buying games in regular seven day auctions (a.k.a. - fair market value) and listing 'em later for big BINs many, many times.

Speaking of using your brain...

Please let us know if you ever get one.

[Black Tiger]

The only people getting it for less than $200 in the last year got disc only. Condition matters.

Mine was completely complete. As were the other copies in eBay's sold history at the time, which sold for under $200. I was there and witnessed it and participated myself. You are saying that actual history you did not witness did not occur because it did not qualify to make it on a chart that someone/thing else made. You are admitting to not having or acknowledging all of facts and continue to ommit any variables that don't support your pre-conceived conclusion.

1. The price of a share of Apple was $610 in August of 2013. It is currently $460. If I claimed Apple Stock was worth $610, that would be complete bullshit. Prices change. Also, there are two links between now and August 2013 in that list that ARE less than $200, which are disc only. Saying the statement "It sells for less than $200" gives the notion that you can easily get a complete copy for less than $200 on a routine basis. Good luck with that. 

The stock market completely bottomed out the other day. You know why? The people making money off of nothing use robots to do the trading now. But even they know that some interpretation is required. So they programmed the AI with a poor substitiute for human common sense. The robots all read a single fake tweet and dumped all their stocks. All over nothing. But you know why the traders programmed the robots to do that? Because stocks have no intrinsic value to them. They will dump them for pennies on the dollar in an instant if they feel that others value imaginary units for next to nothing.

Video games aren't worthless monetary units representing an IOU. You actually had the balls to suggest that video game players leave all of the video games to monetary traders. Instead, why don't you guys just write the names of every video game on slips of paper and just sell those to each other. Then the rest of us video game players can continue playing the video games that we've been playing ever since they were made for playing. This way you guys get the full value and enjoyment out of your investments that you have been all along and we get the full enjoyment and value out of the video games that we have been playing all along. It's the only win-win-win scenario.

[Sparky]

and there goes Darkkobob...

[DarkKobold]

Because stocks have no intrinsic value to them.

Stocks ACTUALLY do have an intrinsic value. They represent a piece of a company that has holdings and earnings. Video games, on the other hand, have no intrinsic value. They are about $0.03 worth of plastic. I find it rather funny you use intrinsic, since you clearly don't even know what that means. That isn't your emotional value in the item, its the raw materials that make up an item.

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/basics/06/contemplatingcollectibles.asp

You actually had the balls to suggest that video game players leave all of the video games to monetary traders.

LOL, what? I did? News to me.

Instead, why don't you guys just write the names of every video game on slips of paper and just sell those to each other. Then the rest of us video game players can continue playing the video games that we've been playing ever since they were made for playing. This way you guys get the full value and enjoyment out of your investments that you have been all along and we get the full enjoyment and value out of the video games that we have been playing all along. It's the only win-win-win scenario.

Good luck getting the EVIL RESELLER NETWORK to do that... Oh wait, it is independent people making these decisions. Yeah, resellers are taking advantage of the collectors willing to pay absurd amounts for games. Oh well, that is reality. Its better that, then lying to fellow forum members about the going price of a game. 


 

more name-calling.

Yawn. Here's a hint. You don't like what I'm saying, put me on ignore.

[Necromancer]

Yawn. Here's a hint. You don't like what I'm saying, put me on ignore.

That's rich coming from you, little man.  If you disagree so much with this thread, leave.  You won't be missed.

[DarkKobold]

Proof Bonk 3 is only worth $45! Anyone who pays more is an idiot-moron-gouger-reseller!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BONK-3-TurboGrafx-16-Turbo-Grafx-TURBO-DUO-CIB-Hucard-Game-Manual-/111022360101?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item19d972c625

You mean in the last six months and not in BINs, right clownshoes?  Complete copies have sold at least FOUR times in the past year for less than $200 - 1, 2, 3, 4!

Sorry, 292 days, not a year. My bad for not being totally pedantic.

I don't care about BIN prices. I paid $40 for Exile 2: WP, doing a BIN snipe. I'm not under false pretenses that was the going price. Someone sniped Dynastic Hero US last year for $50. I've gotten some crazy good BIN snipes on ebay. They are good deals because they aren't the going price.