Turbo Gouging on Ebay ( r.i.p. - gouging much )

[turboswimbz]

It's a double edged sword really:

Honestly sometimes I sit back and just marvel at it all! The market for these games is still out there and up and it really is is amazing. Yeah it'll go up and down, but there is still a demand for a system that 15 years ago most people wrote off here in the US, and I don't think it's going away any time soon.  And from this stand point I really am glad, that other people think it's as cool a system as we do.  It wouldn't be as much fun if we couldn't sit here and complain about the price and if there weren't some "big fish" (MC, Bonk 3, ect.) to chase or that amazing deal you find in someones garage sale -- becuase no one cared.  Yeah there are a few who look to just make whatever they can off people while they can, all fads and collectables have this, but for the most part I've encountered many more who are just looking to get there games to people who want it at a fair price at that time.   I hate to admit but we need the gougers . . . and beer lot's of beer.

[esteban]

... The market for these games is still out there and up and it really is is amazing. Yeah it'll go up and down, but there is still a demand for a system that 15 20 years ago most people wrote off here in the US, and I don't think it's going away any time soon. 

[vestcoat]

I hate to admit but we need the gougers . . .

How so? Couldn't gamers and collectors sell to each other without price-inflating parasites?

[turboswimbz]

I hate to admit but we need the gougers . . .

How so? Couldn't gamers and collectors sell to each other without price-inflating parasites?

In a utopia sure. In the real world no. there would always be someone looking for a little more. there always is.  It wouldn't be very much fun if it was, hey i need _ _ _ _ here's $5 oh yeah completed my set which everyone has.  It's the challenge that makes it addicting.  It's the difference between climbing a hill and a mountain.  I'm sure people will have diffrent thoughts on this, but I'm with esteban on this, it's cool that there is intrest in the system! it's been a great surprise of my life to find out that a lot of people really enjoy TG16/TE/TD. 

But I think what your getting at is this : What we don't need is the people who don't research and find out what things are worth (i wouldn't call these gougers per say, more like opprutunist, let me put this here at $$$ and see if anyone will buy it)
because they start their auctions off way to high, and the second set who do poor research base their prices off these listings, followed by idiots who don't research and buy the stuff at those increased prices, just because it's the only one on e-bay, when they could find it with a bit of searching for the right price.

All That being said Screw the A-hole who had an NEC TG16 power supply up for $50 on E-bay. 

[BigusSchmuck]

What still amazes me that we although we have had pc engine/turbo grafx emulation now for what 15 years now? You would think prices would go down on some of these items. Instead we are seeing the opposite, if anything this shows in this case that piracy really doesn't have an effect on the prices of the actual media.

[vestcoat]

In a utopia sure. In the real world no. there would always be someone looking for a little more. there always is.  It wouldn't be very much fun if it was, hey i need _ _ _ _ here's $5 oh yeah completed my set which everyone has.  It's the challenge that makes it addicting.  It's the difference between climbing a hill and a mountain.  I'm sure people will have diffrent thoughts on this, but I'm with esteban on this, it's cool that there is intrest in the system! it's been a great surprise of my life to find out that a lot of people really enjoy TG16/TE/TD. 

So, your pro-gouger argument is: paying an inflated price = more fun?

Yes, since the beginning of time, humanity has striven to spend money. Wealth squandered has been the measuring stick by which all great men aspire. Nothing says "accomplishment" like blowing $200 on a toy; indeed, there is no hurdle in life greater than obtaining a CIB Magical Chase...

That's funny, because I found the Turbografx to be pretty fun and addicting before gougers came on the scene.

Gouger sympathizers don't last long in this thread. Take a hike.

[DarkKobold]

Gouger sympathizers don't last long in this thread. Take a hike.

Don't mind vestcoat. He's an angry little man. Look at his posting history - nearly every other post is incredibly angry.

Also, who cares if some idiot posts an overpriced power adapter? It won't sell. And on the off chance that it does sell to some retard, who cares? "An idiot and his money are soon parted."

[turboswimbz]

your missing the point, it takes all people to make the world go round, I just don't think there is ever going to be a time when there isn't gouging.  However with demand so high there is bound to me a lot of them out there at this point.  give it some time and the prices will come down again.  I'm just saying that if everyone in the world had a complete collection, It would lose something.  And it is what makes things so addicting to people.  not everyone but for many it will.  And your right it was fun before the prices hit all time highs, but back then certain games still went for a higher price, and many people complained about it.  I've found that it is easy enough to advoid the gougers and let others waste thier time with them. 
So my point is why get so upset at them?

[BigusSchmuck]

your missing the point, it takes all people to make the world go round, I just don't think there is ever going to be a time when there isn't gouging.  However with demand so high there is bound to me a lot of them out there at this point.  give it some time and the prices will come down again.  I'm just saying that if everyone in the world had a complete collection, It would lose something.  And it is what makes things so addicting to people.  not everyone but for many it will.  And your right it was fun before the prices hit all time highs, but back then certain games still went for a higher price, and many people complained about it.  I've found that it is easy enough to advoid the gougers and let others waste thier time with them. 
So my point is why get so upset at them?

Because we have emulators for 15 years and there really isn't a rhyme or reason why prices should go so freaking high. If anything it should come down as there are a hell of a lot more people who have pcs vs turbo/pce systems and thats not counting other consoles that emulate tg16/pce games.
 

[vestcoat]

swimbz - You expressed frustration with gougers in your introduction post, and again when you were looking for a U.S. Duo, and again with the AC adapter, so I think you know why we get upset with them.

Obviously, life's too short to get bent out of shape about every a$$hole on the internet. It's fun to bitch about ebay gougers from here on the sidelines, but my main gripe is when they signup here on the forums. They ask us for help, repairs, estimates, collection advice, and buy our stuff, all the while writing down amounts paid so they don't "take a loss" when they invariably sell their collection two months later. In short: gougers are one thing, but I reserve a special corner in hell for forum members that capitalize on goodwill.

[SignOfZeta]

I hate to admit but we need the gougers . . .

How so? Couldn't gamers and collectors sell to each other without price-inflating parasites?

Would we have a 200+ page thread devoted to any other topic?

[JapanTokei]

On this topic, yes today the games are getting a lot of interest from the gaugers esp the us th games..  I look back at end of the the tg duos life and when the second wind started to hit was around 1996 1997..  Back then Dracula x was going for 185 consistently and Macross 2036 75 bucks and sapphire 500-600 with Circus lido in the 400s.  Any pcs title would get bids on eBay then, even games like rom rom stadium.  To me back then the prices across all were higher, bit the us versions were lower.  Now we have the us versions being collected and the jp versions have had its course and people are famililar with pretty much all the titles so the pricing are selective to the key titles while the rest are pretty much 5 to 15 bargain bins.  So my point is - the tg market is like the internet bubble.  Back then everything was gaining interest.  Today its the big hitters that rule the (resale) market.  And U get occasional regards that try to scam newbies...  Mix in inflation we see mm3 and terraforming near 300, cotton bouncing all over the place, dynastic hero still steady at 500 to 600, DE2 around 175, and haven't seen MC or beyondshadowgate recently on evil bay to comment but I think it hasn't changed. 

[turboswimbz]

swimbz - You expressed frustration with gougers in your introduction post, and again when you were looking for a U.S. Duo, and again with the AC adapter, so I think you know why we get upset with them.

Obviously, life's too short to get bent out of shape about every a$$hole on the internet. It's fun to bitch about ebay gougers from here on the sidelines, but my main gripe is when they signup here on the forums. They ask us for help, repairs, estimates, collection advice, and buy our stuff, all the while writing down amounts paid so they don't "take a loss" when they invariably sell their collection two months later. In short: gougers are one thing, but I reserve a special corner in hell for forum members that capitalize on goodwill.

Seriously we all know how i feel about them, just seeing it from the other side, LOL. I don't like the dark side. Just meant as a bit of convo. I knew it would get people talking. I honestly don't think that we need them. and I'm not talking about the collectors who want mint and those who are here today gone tomorrow players.  I think like you, I'm talking about those who honestly want to take advantage of the situation purely for there own profit, resellers, especially those who don't care for the system, like guy i bought the TG16 I'm selling from, who didn't know a thing about the system other than it went for a lot online, and wouldn't take a dollar less than $80.

If there is one great thing about all of this,

There is a place like this, with people like vest who keep the real spirit of the turbo alive.
Always a silver lining!

anyway sorry for being a bit polarizing.  Didn't mean for it to be anything else other than a conversation piece.

As a side note, could we cut them out? I was actually thinking about it, I kinda like that world.  a Utopia or dare I say Neutopia of sorts?

[turboswimbz]

oh by the way. regarding recent topics. thank you to everyone here. It's been a big help with everything!   

now let's rip some more people for being gougers!

[tggodfrey]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/180953020405?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Are you kidding me?  Nintendo Players guide for 30.00?  These sell all day long on even egay for 8.00.  People are beyond rediculous.

Terry