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Re: Turbo Gouging on Ebay ( r.i.p. - gouging much )
« Reply #3675 on: December 20, 2012, 04:31:48 AM »
It's not about simply flipping each game for profit. Crooked resellers are thinking long term. They began nanipulating the market by buying up everything at or below average market price and began trickling games out strategically. It doesn't matter so much if they make a profit on every flipped game, what's important is that they keep demand and selling prices artificially high.
So according to you, he bought it at $92 shipped from a picture-less and description-less auction to resell it one month and 11 days later at $89 shipped using an actual picture and description. Also, according to you, that sale an entire month away is part of a long-term evil mastermind plan to manipulate the price of Soldier Blade, demonstrating that the value is... going down? He spent $10 on this mastermind plan?

Like I said, that wasn't all about that one resale. Why do you think he bought a game and resold it? Because he bought it to play and then accidentally listed it on eBay? This wasn't his only resale ever. He has probably invested $1000 in copies of Soldier Blade and sold $3000+ in Soldier Blade sales. He didn't lose $10 on Soldier Blade, he has netted thousands.

He didn't buy it for $25 and accidentally let it go (if the high bidder wasn't just an alias) for $24. He bought it at an expensive price and added another overpriced sale to eBay's history. That helps keep perceived value high, not drive it down. Especially with all of the people like you who treat low sale prices as anomolies and top end prices as average market value.

He is also maintaining his monopoly on Turbo games. He stopped a "rare" game from being sold from someone else. People don't visit eBay stores like hit japan because they rarely have PCE games in stock. Uncommon Turbo games are much harder to stock and the only way to keep a steady supply is by buying everything up from everyone else.

People like plcards make a name for themselves within narrowminded insta collection communities where oblivious people think nothing of how some sellers managed to stock SO many supposedly super R@RE
impossible to find games and assume that the asking prices must be what they're worth.




  It's not like it matters - eBay doesn't give a f*ck.

Should I stop wasting my time reporting it to ebay and mentioning it here as well? I guess we have established that this guy is very shady. It boggles my mind that people here still buy from him.

Or defend him.
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Re: Turbo Gouging on Ebay ( r.i.p. - gouging much )
« Reply #3676 on: December 20, 2012, 07:08:18 AM »
Heck no, don't stop.  I like laughing at these goobers and I report 'em too; maybe if enough of us complain, they'll actually listen.



$112.99 shipped for a TG-16 box and foam inserts.  It's not even in all that great of condition.


That's almost exactly what I paid for my boxed Turbo a few years ago. I made the sale on eBay.
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Re: Turbo Gouging on Ebay ( r.i.p. - gouging much )
« Reply #3677 on: December 20, 2012, 07:54:14 AM »
Heck no, don't stop.  I like laughing at these goobers and I report 'em too; maybe if enough of us complain, they'll actually listen.



$112.99 shipped for a TG-16 box and foam inserts.  It's not even in all that great of condition.

Right up there with $1800 for a Magical Chase box. Pretty lame..


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Re: Turbo Gouging on Ebay ( r.i.p. - gouging much )
« Reply #3678 on: December 20, 2012, 08:07:11 AM »
Hmmm sounds like I'm not charging enough for the Boxed TG-16 in my thread, I'll have to up it 15 to match the empty box sale.  [-X
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Re: Turbo Gouging on Ebay ( r.i.p. - gouging much )
« Reply #3679 on: December 20, 2012, 08:49:45 AM »
 It's not like it matters - eBay doesn't give a f*ck.

Should I stop wasting my time reporting it to ebay and mentioning it here as well? I guess we have established that this guy is very shady. It boggles my mind that people here still buy from him.

Actually, no, I noticed after your first post, all his auctions ended much lower than I expected. Bringing it up repeatedly may be hurting his sales.

I personally stopped buying from him, and I can imagine other lurkers did as well.

Also, I reported him as well. Seeing as I am a top-rated seller, and he isn't, ebay might give my reporting more weight.
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« Reply #3680 on: December 20, 2012, 08:57:04 AM »
Seeing as I am a top-rated seller, and he isn't, ebay might give my reporting more weight.

This made me  :lol:..  eBay cares for no seller.
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« Reply #3681 on: December 20, 2012, 09:20:22 AM »
Seeing as I am a top-rated seller, and he isn't, ebay might give my reporting more weight.


This made me  :lol:..  eBay cares for no seller.


Eh, there is some belief that Top-Rated sellers don't get their reproduction carts pulled, while non-TRS sellers do get repro auctions pulled.

But yeah, I'll agree, Ebay usually tells sellers to sit n' spin, when in regards to buyers.


Like I said, that wasn't all about that one resale. Why do you think he bought a game and resold it? Because he bought it to play and then accidentally listed it on eBay? This wasn't his only resale ever. He has probably invested $1000 in copies of Soldier Blade and sold $3000+ in Soldier Blade sales. He didn't lose $10 on Soldier Blade, he has netted thousands.

He didn't buy it for $25 and accidentally let it go (if the high bidder wasn't just an alias) for $24. He bought it at an expensive price and added another overpriced sale to eBay's history. That helps keep perceived value high, not drive it down. Especially with all of the people like you who treat low sale prices as anomolies and top end prices as average market value.

He is also maintaining his monopoly on Turbo games. He stopped a "rare" game from being sold from someone else. People don't visit eBay stores like hit japan because they rarely have PCE games in stock. Uncommon Turbo games are much harder to stock and the only way to keep a steady supply is by buying everything up from everyone else.

People like plcards make a name for themselves within narrowminded insta collection communities where oblivious people think nothing of how some sellers managed to stock SO many supposedly super R@RE
impossible to find games and assume that the asking prices must be what they're worth.


Ok, first of all, I'm in no way defending him. I think he is a piece of shit that is bidding his own items up, and doing basically a fake reserve.

However, I'm trying to dispel you of your paranoid delusion that this is some grandeur plan to keep TG prices high. For some reason, you think that Legend of Hero Tonma being listed for $25 on eBay for a grand total of 30 seconds defines the price? No. Someone like plcards sees it as an opportunity to flip it for a quick buck. He isn't thinking of some grand conspiracy to keep the price inflated; he sees it as $75 in his pocket for minimal work. Its called BIN snipping.

I have a friend who basically babysits a network, so he keeps a window open with new eBay BINs refreshing every 5 seconds. He's made a lot of money and added awesome stuff to his collection by buying low-priced BINs, parting out what he wants, and reselling the stuff for higher. Is he part of some evil network that intends to keep video game prices high? No. He just wants a quick buck, to support his own collecting hobby. He sees a gap between what a BIN is listed for, and what he knows of previous pricing. No conspiracy, just easy money.

People on NintendoAge do this all the damn time:

http://www.nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=10&threadid=89556

There was adequate reason for plcards to believe he'd make a shit ton reselling a boxed soldier blade:

http://item.ebay.com/170888138634
http://item.ebay.com/140832850856
http://item.ebay.com/130754405251

But... he didn't. He lost $12. It wasn't some grand conspiracy to keep the price high. He f*cked up in his estimate of what he'd make. Maybe he forgot to have one of his shill accounts buy it, or maybe he thought he was secure enough in its ending price, with last minute snipers.

In short, there is no grand conspiracy. PLCARDS. f*ckED. UP. Lost $12.
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Re: Turbo Gouging on Ebay ( r.i.p. - gouging much )
« Reply #3682 on: December 20, 2012, 09:40:21 AM »
Eh, there is some belief that Top-Rated sellers don't get their reproduction carts pulled, while non-TRS sellers do get repro auctions pulled.

I highly doubt that.  Back in the day I was a top rated seller and had something pulled that I put up for auction.  I called eBay and spoke with someone in that department.  He told me flat out that they don't look for auctions to pull. As a matter of fact when my auction was pulled there were 5-6 other similar items listed that wern't pulled.  He also told me that their department runs off of user generated complaints.  So if you an I both have auctions for the same item and someone reports my auction and not yours, my auction will get pulled down and yours will stay up until someone reports yours also.

Based off of that phone call, users reporting auctions DOES make a difference.  Of course that's if everything he said to me was 100% true.
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« Reply #3683 on: December 20, 2012, 09:48:47 AM »
More anecdotal evidence: of the dozens of auctions that I've reported over the years, maybe one in five has been pulled.  Probably even less than that.
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Re: Turbo Gouging on Ebay ( r.i.p. - gouging much )
« Reply #3684 on: December 20, 2012, 09:52:46 AM »
Eh, there is some belief that Top-Rated sellers don't get their reproduction carts pulled, while non-TRS sellers do get repro auctions pulled.

I highly doubt that.  Back in the day I was a top rated seller and had something pulled that I put up for auction.  I called eBay and spoke with someone in that department.  He told me flat out that they don't look for auctions to pull. As a matter of fact when my auction was pulled there were 5-6 other similar items listed that wern't pulled.  He also told me that their department runs off of user generated complaints.  So if you an I both have auctions for the same item and someone reports my auction and not yours, my auction will get pulled down and yours will stay up until someone reports yours also.

Based off of that phone call, users reporting auctions DOES make a difference.  Of course that's if everything he said to me was 100% true.

Interesting, thanks for this. I had an auction pulled earlier this year (before I got my TRS), because I used the word modify in reference to a console, which obviously meant inducing piracy. (As an aside, to play Super Famicom games on a US Super Nintendo, you just need to break two plastic tabs out of the console, which in no way allows for pirated games.) I wonder if whoever reported me was just my competition for a sale of that Super Famicom game (Chrono Trigger), as I'd had other listings untouched with the same wording.

I wonder if the same thing happened to you - you were the lowest price, so rather than lower their price, the competition reported you.

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« Reply #3685 on: December 20, 2012, 11:01:47 AM »
Eh, there is some belief that Top-Rated sellers don't get their reproduction carts pulled, while non-TRS sellers do get repro auctions pulled.

I highly doubt that.  Back in the day I was a top rated seller and had something pulled that I put up for auction.  I called eBay and spoke with someone in that department.  He told me flat out that they don't look for auctions to pull. As a matter of fact when my auction was pulled there were 5-6 other similar items listed that wern't pulled.  He also told me that their department runs off of user generated complaints.  So if you an I both have auctions for the same item and someone reports my auction and not yours, my auction will get pulled down and yours will stay up until someone reports yours also.

Based off of that phone call, users reporting auctions DOES make a difference.  Of course that's if everything he said to me was 100% true.

Interesting, thanks for this. I had an auction pulled earlier this year (before I got my TRS), because I used the word modify in reference to a console, which obviously meant inducing piracy. (As an aside, to play Super Famicom games on a US Super Nintendo, you just need to break two plastic tabs out of the console, which in no way allows for pirated games.) I wonder if whoever reported me was just my competition for a sale of that Super Famicom game (Chrono Trigger), as I'd had other listings untouched with the same wording.

I wonder if the same thing happened to you - you were the lowest price, so rather than lower their price, the competition reported you.



I had an auction pulled for the term "like new"

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Re: Turbo Gouging on Ebay ( r.i.p. - gouging much )
« Reply #3688 on: December 20, 2012, 12:37:43 PM »
No clue but you WOULD have to be high...
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BT: Look at how the fake SFII' carts instantly sold out and were immediately listed on eBay before the flippers even took possession. Look at Nintendo's overpriced bricks. Look at the typical forum discussions elsewhere.

You can't tell most retro gamers anything!

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