Turbo Gouging on Ebay ( r.i.p. - gouging much )

[Necromancer]

Proof Bonk 3 is only worth $45! Anyone who pays more is an idiot-moron-gouger-reseller!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BONK-3-TurboGrafx-16-Turbo-Grafx-TURBO-DUO-CIB-Hucard-Game-Manual-/111022360101?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item19d972c625

Proof Bonk 3 is worth $400!  Anyone who pays even $1 less is getting a sweet deal!

http://item.ebay.com/160954852333




Hyperbole is fun!

[DarkKobold]

Hyperbole is fun!

Did you just miss where I said I don't count BINs?

Also yeah, to me Ebay is basically NASDAQ.

I find copies of SW Battlefront 2 on Xbox all the time. In January, I could sell a copy for $45. Now, I can get maybe $30. Did something magical happen to the quality of the game between now and then that dropped the price by 25%?

[Necromancer]

Did you just miss where I said I don't count BINs?

If you weren't so frickin' obtuse, you'd understand that it doesn't matter if it's a BIN or regular auction.  By the way, that auction came from your vaunted pricecharting, so so much for them not cataloging BINs.

Did you have to take special classes to be so wrong so often?

Also yeah, to me Ebay is basically NASDAQ.

I find copies of SW Battlefront 2 on Xbox all the time. In January, I could sell a copy for $45. Now, I can get maybe $30. Did something magical happen to the quality of the game between now and then that dropped the price by 25%?

Further proof or your buffoonery and ignorance of stocks.

[DarkKobold]

If you weren't so frickin' obtuse, you'd understand that it doesn't matter if it's a BIN or regular auction.

So tell me, when Bonk 3 sold for $45, how was that reflected in the market value? You said it effects the overall price. How? Should it be averaged in? What if the seller listed it for $1? Should that be averaged in?

A low BIN, especially one bought by plcards to flip, is meaningless. It has no affect on the market, it just lined his wallet with $200.

[Necromancer]

So tell me, when Bonk 3 sold for $45, how was that reflected in the market value? You said it effects the overall price. How? Should it be averaged in? What if the seller listed it for $1? Should that be averaged in?

Sure, why not?  If the highest price auctions (i.e. - the $460 DEII) are a factor in determining value, then so must the lowest.

A low BIN, especially one bought by plcards to flip, is meaningless. It has no affect on the market, it just lined his wallet with $200.

Only high prices count!  Rawrrrrr!

[Black Tiger]

If you weren't so frickin' obtuse, you'd understand that it doesn't matter if it's a BIN or regular auction.

So tell me, when Bonk 3 sold for $45, how was that reflected in the market value? You said it effects the overall price. How? Should it be averaged in? What if the seller listed it for $1? Should that be averaged in?

A low BIN, especially one bought by plcards to flip, is meaningless. It has no affect on the market, it just lined his wallet with $200.

So now you're  providing evidence that the eBay "market" is artificially inflated by resellers?

[Necromancer]

So now you're  providing evidence that the eBay "market" is artificially inflated by resellers?

In DK's bizarro world, BINs aren't 'fair market value' and therefor don't count (unless he's trying to make a point).  Not that it matters, though, as there's plenty of regular auctions in plcards history that he bought and later sold for profit.

[DarkKobold]

In DK's bizarro world, BINs aren't 'fair market value'...

In my world it isn't?

plcards got Bonk 3 for $45(fixed) off a BIN. I'd doubt anyone would claim that the current going rate for Bonk 3 is $45.(fixed)

I agree it's not the going price, yet it does factor into the game's overall value. 

In your world, it isn't either. But wait, you said it factors in! So, lets get some in-depth analysis into how:

So tell me, when Bonk 3 sold for $45, how was that reflected in the market value? ...

Sure, why not? 

"How?" "Sure!"  What an amazing, intelligent response.

So now you're  providing evidence that the eBay "market" is artificially inflated by resellers?

So, you'd think you'd learn not to use economic terms, since you clearly don't know what they mean, "intrinsic value" and now "artificial inflation."

This is artificial inflation in the video game market:

http://blog.pricecharting.com/2013/04/someone-is-cornering-clayfighter.html

Artificial inflation would be buying all (or most) of the copies at FMV, to corner the market. Not a one-off buy of a game 1/4 of FMV for a quick resale. Learn what terms mean before you use them.

[Bernie]

Not understanding why people continue to entertain the Troll.  Clearly his only reason for being here is to stir the shitpot.

[Black Tiger]

I didn't say I thought it was worth $400 permanently. I think that notion is as ridiculous as saying it is still worth $200. The only people getting it for less than $200 in the last year got disc only. Condition matters.

You do know that most of those "Loose" completed DEII sales on pricecharting are actually complete, right?


"Last year":

DEII complete for $108.49

DEII complete for $142.60

DEII complete for $152.50


But how about this past week?

Completely complete DEII for $199.99 minus cost of shipping -ridiculous!


Or two months ago?

DEII case with manual for $47 + DEII game disc for $149.95 = $196.95



Meanwhile, how long has this one been rotting at $430 with four failed offers?

You said, to an effect, that it NEVER was worth > $400. It sold once for $460. That isn't never.

As I, as well as others explained, your interpretation of "worth" differs from the rest of us. I pointed out that it regularly sells for <$200, even if people occasionally overpay or snag it for like $50. If this clown faked a sale, as we have proven that some resellers do, in order to make clueless insta-collectors believe in manufactured values... that doesn't mean that the game is now "worth" $2000+, even though it continues to sell complete on eBay for <$200.

If you're a gouger, top end sale prices may be inspiration to list a game super high for years on end, hoping for a huge payout on your investment from a desperate collector. But if your a buyer with common sense, it still means that if you really want it, you don't have to pay more than $200 to get it on eBay.

[DarkKobold]

The exact same shit Necromancer posted...

To give the same exact response I gave to necromancer.

Yeah, sorry, 293 days ago, not 1 calendar year. Sorry for not being pedantic.

And, yeah, that last one was on ebay for all of 10 minutes. So, yes, you could have gotten lucky, had you been on ebay in that exact ten minutes in the last 293 days. Congrats.

Regularly... 293 days ago. Or in a 10 minute span over the course of 293 days, which is less than 0.0001% of the time.

However, there have been 7 sales over $200 in the last 293 days.

So, even if we count your ridiculous BIN in 10 minutes, and the spliced together under 200, in the last 293 days...

7 Sales of over 200. Some well over 200, in the 300 - 400 range.

2 versus 7! The two sales totally outweigh the SEVEN OTHER SALES.

This would be an honest, accurate assessment of the price:

"Regularly sells for over 250, pushing 300-400. You may be able to snag a copy these days for less than $200 with a lucky BIN or by piecing a set together. It used to sell for less than $200, but in the last year (cough 293 days) it has experienced a price spike."

[vestcoat]

Necromancer - where the heck is your avatar? Your new-found invisibility is creeping me out.

DK - Party time?

[Mathius]

Necromancer - where the heck is your avatar? Your new-found invisibility is creeping me out.

These are my exact same thoughts.

[Sparky]

I don't even know what the argument is about anymore, but i do know no one is supporting your view Darkkobold and my god try reading some of your post, you come off so arrogant.

Instead of tactful or trying to understand another view you preach your way getting the backs up of everyone, hell even if you do have some valid points its lost in your approach. Your like some google lawyer gathering the facts and evidence waiting for some judge to rule in your fav.

Oh and incase you say others preach there ways.... There a lot more tactful then you.

[DarkKobold]

There a lot more tactful then you.

Could I be more tactful? Sure. However, don't pretend like everyone has been super nice, and I've been haughty and arrogant.

In this thread, Necromancer has called me a moron, a whiny cunt, and a collectard for disagreeing with Black Tiger on his faulty evaluation of a price.

YOU posted a picture of a dog, comparing it to me. You refuse to even write my name correct.

YOU dragged me up in this thread, which I hadn't even participated in.

https://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=12933.msg292418#msg292418

Its a little late in the game for you to be lecturing me on tactfulness. Get off your high horse.