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Re: Turbo Gouging on Ebay ( r.i.p. - gouging much )
« Reply #4620 on: March 10, 2014, 01:43:21 PM »

We have a separate thread for wacky auctions:

https://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=13195.msg336710#msg336710

Oh yeah, looks like RoyVegas beat me to it there.  Oops.

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« Reply #4621 on: March 10, 2014, 01:47:12 PM »
I only liquidated the ones I had when I had run out previously; Keranu still had some stock, so he sent them to me. I have been selling those on the main site for the normal price for the past few months, but I'm literally down to 1 copy remaining. Once it sells, I end the sale on frozenutopia.com... and the gougers will go hog-wild scalping a rare game.

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« Reply #4622 on: March 10, 2014, 01:53:01 PM »
Regardless, you gave away a ton of copies of the best TG16 homebrew to-date for $12-15. There's a reason why none of Mindrec, Aetherbyte, or Revival's releases are being gouged: because they never had a red-light sale and they're still selling them for close to original prices.
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« Reply #4623 on: March 10, 2014, 02:08:16 PM »
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Shit hits the fan. Storino's PCEFX account is active, but he doesn't respond to the gouging thread. The ebay listing remains up, but the seller username suddenly changes from "storino03" to "pikachuwarrior," in an attempt to distance his PCEFX reputation and raffle credibility from nefarious gouging activities. Ebay seller feedback shows another $70 Mysterious Song listing that ended on March 9th. Even though the item was relisted and there's no possible way a buyer could have received same-day delivery, the buyer (e***a ( 634 ) left positive feedback for pikachuwarrior the same day the listing ended, showing that Storino has at least two ebay accounts, leaves positive feedback for himself, and fakes sales to legitimize high prices for anyone referencing ebay's sold listings or sites like pricecharting.com.

Technically, he can relist before the first buyer gets the original and leaves feedback.  if you have more than one, but only sell them one at a time, then you can immediately relist the other.  It lists reasons when you choose to do so, one of them being having multiples of the same item.  Either way. its a stupid thing to do.  Kinda gets under my skin.

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I agree that gouging is inevitable sooner or later, but Storino is a special case because he's one of our own. He hangs out here, gets to know us, tries to make friends, and takes advantage of our generosity. That's far worse than being just a random ebay scumbag.

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« Reply #4624 on: March 10, 2014, 02:40:11 PM »
There's a reason why none of Mindrec, Aetherbyte, or Revival's releases are being gouged: because they never had a red-light sale and they're still selling them for close to original prices.
With all due respect, I really don't think that this is the reason. There have been other homebrews that have been gouged before, and not because they were put on sale. A copy of Aetherbyte's Insanity was put up on ebay for a ridiculous amount of money by one of the users here on this very forum. And look at the craziness with gouging Pier Solar... that was being gouged on ebay the day it came out, and it was still selling for full price. It's the perceived rarity/availability of the game, compounded by its popularity.

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« Reply #4625 on: March 10, 2014, 03:11:40 PM »
like a signed Insanity.... total gouge

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Re: Turbo Gouging on Ebay ( r.i.p. - gouging much )
« Reply #4626 on: March 10, 2014, 04:12:55 PM »
Rover, I've got to disagree with you on this one. I can't speak for other console scenes and I don't know what the hell Pier Solar is, but the total extent of homebrew gouging on the TurboGrafx can be summer up with two words: Roy Vegas.

That's it. It was an isolated incident of douchebaggery no one has rivaled before or since. Furthermore, it was a special signed or limited copy, IIRC, not standard issue like Mysterious Song. A couple copies of Meteor Blaster have sold for $270 and $50 over the course of ten years on ebay, but those were honest auctions for the Signature Edition, again not standard issue and not BIN gouging.

As for your efforts to discourage gougers, nothing could be further from the truth. Prices for Aetherbyte, Mindrec, and Revival titles have all remained stable as the companies continue to stock copes and sell them directly. You on the other hand, chose to blowout your remaining stock of a one-year-old game at rock-bottom prices. And this isn't a typical Atari clone like other homebrew titles, it's a full-fledged RPG on a console English gamers are starving for.

You've heavily advertised MSR's rarity and a virtual countdown of your stock every step of the way. The front page of Frozen Utopia hypes the "limited stock." Your store has boldly advertised that "there won't be a second pressing" since the game was released. You even used your dwindling stock as a selling point to the sharks on ebay, "there will never again be another sale like this since these are all the copies like this that we have... this is your only chance to get this game for as cheap as you will ever see it being sold for." You couldn't have set a better stage for gougers.

You've recently discussed the possibility of a reprint on these forums, but refuse to make it identical, while freely admitting that "a second pressing would actually drive the cost of the first pressing up higher."

Searching for Insanity, Pyramid Plunder, Meteor Blaster, Implode, and Revival Chase on ebay yields zero results and zero gouging. Meanwhile, less than two months after your blow-it-out-the-ass sale, two different sellers have Mysterious Song for $70 & $100.  In fact, one copy already sold for $109 on January 27th.

I understand if you needed some fast cash back in January or whatever, but don't claim you've been trying to discourage gougers. I suspect you like being the creator of an expensive,  sought-after game, else you'd issue an identical reprint or not hype your "last copies!" so much.

EDIT: sorry, some of that was harsh. You're a great guy and I don't mean to me a dick, but you've done several things that have set MSR up for serious gouging in the future.
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« Reply #4627 on: March 10, 2014, 04:42:57 PM »
I don't hype anything, I'm just blatantly honest with things. Maybe I'm naive or whatnot, I dunno. And yeah, we did make a lot of efforts to discourage gougers... that's why we did not sell the game shrink-wrapped (keeps the price baseline), we set up sales on ebay for the same price as on the website (marketplace presence, keeps prices honest), and deliberately sold some copies on the cheap (devaluing discourages reselling). Honestly... people are going to scalp no matter what, and the more popular the game is, the more it's gonna go for.

Maybe I should just shut up from now on. :(

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« Reply #4628 on: March 10, 2014, 07:22:25 PM »
I'm kind  of curious what Mysterious Song would go for if you put your last copy up on ebay and just let it work as a no reserve, no BIN auction...
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Re: Turbo Gouging on Ebay ( r.i.p. - gouging much )
« Reply #4629 on: March 10, 2014, 09:01:51 PM »
Rover, I've got to disagree with you on this one. I can't speak for other console scenes and I don't know what the hell Pier Solar is, but the total extent of homebrew gouging on the TurboGrafx can be summer up with two words: Roy Vegas.

That's it. It was an isolated incident of douchebaggery no one has rivaled before or since. Furthermore, it was a special signed or limited copy, IIRC, not standard issue like Mysterious Song. A couple copies of Meteor Blaster have sold for $270 and $50 over the course of ten years on ebay, but those were honest auctions for the Signature Edition, again not standard issue and not BIN gouging.

As for your efforts to discourage gougers, nothing could be further from the truth. Prices for Aetherbyte, Mindrec, and Revival titles have all remained stable as the companies continue to stock copes and sell them directly. You on the other hand, chose to blowout your remaining stock of a one-year-old game at rock-bottom prices. And this isn't a typical Atari clone like other homebrew titles, it's a full-fledged RPG on a console English gamers are starving for.

You've heavily advertised MSR's rarity and a virtual countdown of your stock every step of the way. The front page of Frozen Utopia hypes the "limited stock." Your store has boldly advertised that "there won't be a second pressing" since the game was released. You even used your dwindling stock as a selling point to the sharks on ebay, "there will never again be another sale like this since these are all the copies like this that we have... this is your only chance to get this game for as cheap as you will ever see it being sold for." You couldn't have set a better stage for gougers.

You've recently discussed the possibility of a reprint on these forums, but refuse to make it identical, while freely admitting that "a second pressing would actually drive the cost of the first pressing up higher."

Searching for Insanity, Pyramid Plunder, Meteor Blaster, Implode, and Revival Chase on ebay yields zero results and zero gouging. Meanwhile, less than two months after your blow-it-out-the-ass sale, two different sellers have Mysterious Song for $70 & $100.  In fact, one copy already sold for $109 on January 27th.

I understand if you needed some fast cash back in January or whatever, but don't claim you've been trying to discourage gougers. I suspect you like being the creator of an expensive,  sought-after game, else you'd issue an identical reprint or not hype your "last copies!" so much.

EDIT: sorry, some of that was harsh. You're a great guy and I don't mean to me a dick, but you've done several things that have set MSR up for serious gouging in the future.
 

Did you get lost on your way to Fighting Street? Give the guy a break.

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« Reply #4630 on: March 11, 2014, 07:29:08 AM »
I can't speak for other console scenes and I don't know what the hell Pier Solar is, but the total extent of homebrew gouging on the TurboGrafx can be summer up with two words: Roy Vegas.

That's it. It was an isolated incident of douchebaggery no one has rivaled before or since. Furthermore, it was a special signed or limited copy, IIRC, not standard issue like Mysterious Song. A couple copies of Meteor Blaster have sold for $270 and $50 over the course of ten years on ebay, but those were honest auctions for the Signature Edition, again not standard issue and not BIN gouging.

Your view of it is pretty one sided since you wern't directly involved in any of it.  Your stating a lot of things you have no in depth knowledge of.

Yes I put those Signature/CCAG homebrew games them up for sale on eBay with huge "Buy it Nows" but guess where they sold?  They were sold to a member HERE, on this forum, who sent me a message here with an offer and were sold OFF eBay.

How about the Meteor Blaster DX Signature Edition that I GAVE to a member here for free (he can chime in if he sees this and wants). Of course you wouldn't know that happened nor would I expect you to.

If you could also please provide a little proof on your auction facts. I sold one of my Meteor Blaster DX Signature Editions at what you call "an honest auction" and it ended at $89.69 (I know, it's in my feedback). So was my auction a third auction you missed or did you confuse that with the $50 auction?

A majority of what your saying about me is your biased opinion and nothing more. There's no fact to what you said other than they were listed INITIALLY on eBay with high "Buy it Now's".  The rest is biased opinion based on what you perceived happened.
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« Reply #4631 on: March 11, 2014, 07:50:56 AM »
I can't speak for other console scenes and I don't know what the hell Pier Solar is, but the total extent of homebrew gouging on the TurboGrafx can be summer up with two words: Roy Vegas.

That's it. It was an isolated incident of douchebaggery no one has rivaled before or since. Furthermore, it was a special signed or limited copy, IIRC, not standard issue like Mysterious Song. A couple copies of Meteor Blaster have sold for $270 and $50 over the course of ten years on ebay, but those were honest auctions for the Signature Edition, again not standard issue and not BIN gouging.


How about the Meteor Blaster DX Signature Edition that I GAVE to a member here for free (he can chime in if he sees this and wants). Of course you wouldn't know that happened nor would I expect you to.


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« Reply #4632 on: March 11, 2014, 08:01:18 AM »
All this stuff predates my membership here, but Roy has given me some great deals.  No complaints here.

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« Reply #4633 on: March 11, 2014, 08:33:36 AM »
Your view of it is pretty one sided since you wern't directly involved in any of it.  Your stating a lot of things you have no in depth knowledge of.
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A majority of what your saying about me is your biased opinion and nothing more. There's no fact to what you said other than they were listed INITIALLY on eBay with high "Buy it Now's".  The rest is biased opinion based on what you perceived happened.

Give it a f*cking rest, Roy.  You know what you did was shitty.
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« Reply #4634 on: March 11, 2014, 09:01:27 AM »
I don't have the investment in this topic as some do, but I think that affords me the ability to view this a little more objectively.

I don't see the link between selling seconds of MS at a reduced price and price gouging. If I was an outsider or new to the scene, that make me believe that the game didn't sell well, and he is having a fire sale just to get rid of the things. That would make me less inclined to buy them for reselling on eBay.Especially for gouged prices, and especially when the game can still be bought at regular retail.

I can see your point on the "Rare/limited quantity" hype, but they're out to sell these things, and people are more likely to buy when they feel they are getting something special.

I think that this gouger is just an ass trying to con unsuspecting gamers, and I really don't feel any of Rovers actions promoted it. This guy would have probably done the same thing regardless.

And who buys a game, especially a homebrew, straight from eBay without Googling it to check reviews and such. And if you were to Google it you would see that it is still available at retail prices. If you blindly go buy a game off eBay just because the seller says its rare, you deserve to get gouged.

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