More Xbox 360/Turbo-related Info

[KingDrool]

From this month's rumor section of GamePro:

"Of those of you that own an Xbox right now, how many use Live Arcade? Anyone? Bueller? Yeah, I thought so. You have to buy a hard-to-find disc to even accesss Live Arcade then you have to pay between $10 an $20 to play some rinky-dink game like Dig Dug. Yawn. That's all about to change, though: The Xbox 360 will have Live Arcade intergrated right into the box, and it willl pop right up on the home page dashboard; hit a button, and you're in like Flynn. You dont even need an Live account...or a credit card to browse, buy, and play freely. But will there be anything worth playing? We're breathless with anticipation. We got the inside scoop from Greg Canessa, group manager of Xbox Casual Games, who says that while the lineup has not officially been set in stone yet, there will be a wide variety of titles and styles, from quirky independents to big names to spiffed-up retro classics from consoles of a bygone era. The Atari 2600, TurboGrafx-16, Sega Saturn and even the Dreamcast were mentioned. Dare we dream? Next-gen Live Arcade sounds like the real thing."

[GUTS]

Awesome, sounds like Microsoft is getting ready to stomp the shit out of the Revolution's only selling point.  f*ck Nintendo, I hope the next generation cripples them so bad they're forced out of the console market.

[twor2005]

I hate to say this in a forum with so few posters, but go away.

[GUTS]

I for one can't wait for NBA Street 3 starring Mario!  Isn't Mario Baseball and Mario DDR coming out this month too?  Hell yeah!

[KingDrool]

I didn't mean to spur a fanboy debate here.  I was just trying to point out something cool for the Turbo community.

[Keranu]

That's a nice idea X-Box 360 has going, but I'll pass of course. I was almost convinced to get the original X-Box mainly for the emulators and other nice computer stuff, but I figured that would be a retarded idea since I have a PC that can handle all the emulators X-Box can plus more and better. "But you get to play emulators on the TV!", well I can do that with my PC also, so it's nothing special for me. None of the games for X-Box interests me remotely anyways, so I'm pretty glad I decided not to buy one for now.

As for Nintendo, I certainly hope they still alive in the video game world, even if their stuff today is no where near as awesome as their 8-bit and 16-bit days, but they still make some decent games themselves. Seeing Nintendo go down would be a shame since they are one of the few companies that can still come up with an original idea or two, unlike these other companies out there that keep releasing the same crap to fit in with today's standards.

No I am not a Nintendo fanboy or a snerd, but without Nintendo, video games today may easily suck even more.

[NEC Avenue]

Nintendo is making bundles of cash so they aren't going anywhere. I'm looking forwared to Revolution. Heck the console itself looks friggen sweet.

[zborgerd]

Nintendo is making bundles of cash so they aren't going anywhere. I'm looking forwared to Revolution. Heck the console itself looks friggen sweet.

I've been quite fond of my Gamecube, and have about 30 games for it.  Though they haven't had as many A+ titles this year, there are some nice things coming in a few months.

Not quite sure why anyone would want Nintendo to die.  They're actually the *last* game console company that is truly interested in only games, and they do it very well.  It's bizarre that anyone would actually want to watch one of the other Juggernauts pummel them into the ground...  As if Microsoft didn't have enough control over software and media already...  Do they really need more?  Asking for them to succeed is just asking for trouble.

I don't think Nintendo is going anywhere.  Though their profits are down a bit lately, they are the *only* of the three major console companies that is actually profiting on videogames.  It just goes to show that their first-party franchises are still loved by many, and there are still millions of gamers out there that want to see Nintendo survive.

I'm really looking forward to Revolution.  I think that Nintendo still has what it takes when it comes to videogame consoles, and they will truly revolutionize online gaming and content with this machine.

[GUTS]

Well I'll tone it down a notch, but how can you say nintendo is the last company that is interested in games?   They haven't even released 1 good GC this year, and they had what, 2 good games last year?  They cancelled the real Mario game for the GC to push it back to the Revolution, a game which tons of people like me were looking forward to after being ripped off by the horrible Mario Sunshine.  So that leaves Zelda as the only game coming out for GC that anybody can get excited about.

Sony and Microsoft on the other hand both pump out tons of games for all genres and are actually trying to keep their console owners happy instead of baiting them with promises and then never delivering like Nintendo.  I bought a GC back when they were $150 and it's possibly the worst major console I've ever owned (excluding the Jaguar obviously since it's the worst system of all time).  When the Mario and Zelda on a nintendo system suck, you know it's time for Nintendo to throw in the towel.

*I know some people enjoyed both of those games, but it's a fact that for the first time there were tons of people disappointed with a Mario and Zelda game, when in the past every real Mario and Zelda were nearly flawless games (not counting those non-nintendo developed Mario and Zelda games of course).

[Keranu]

What games do Sony and Microsoft push out themselves that rule exactly? Not talking about third party companies here.

[zborgerd]

Well I'll tone it down a notch, but how can you say nintendo is the last company that is interested in games?

You didn't read what I said...  I said "only games".  Not televisions.  Not operating systems.  Not office software.  Not MP3 (sorry...  ATRAC) players.  Just games.

So what?  You didn't like your Gamecube.  I love mine.  What does that have to do with the right for Nintendo to have a successful business in games?  Sounds like you're just looking for a reason for them to fail.

We really don't need such troll posts in these forums.  All it does is piss people off, and it's totally off-topic (and in the wrong forum section for that matter).

[DragonmasterDan]

Sony and Microsoft on the other hand both pump out tons of games for all genres and are actually trying to keep their console owners happy instead of baiting them with promises and then never delivering like Nintendo.

Just curious, but what non-horrendous quality classic style RPGs are there for the Xbox? I don't see any , and Sorry Fable is neither great in my opinion and its a long way from a classic style RPG. Every system has its flaws, if the Game Cube didn't appeal to you that's your own opinion, a lot of people are/were very happy with the system and a lot of people are/were unhappy with the PS2 and Xbox for various reasons. Also just worth noting, since you mentioned Zelda wasn't well recieved on game cube, last I looked Zelda Wind Waker was a top twenty all time rated game on GameRankings.com http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/469050.asp. Just because a bunch of whiny image driven kids on message boards complained about cel shading being "fer teh kidz" certainly hasn't prevented it from being one of the best recieved games of this generation.

I could go on a list of failed promises for every system as well, and not just stuff that was discussed and not officially announced like another Mario game (Nintendo talked about Marionette but never announced it officially). If you're unhappy that's your opinion, but statements like that basically constitute trolling.

[RCduck7]

It's nice to have the Halo's, Granturismo's and Tomb Raiders but i like Nintendo's philosophy towards gaming.
A game like Zelda is an expeience for young and old, has substance and is so well executed that it is a masterpiece.
I was addicted to Metroid Prime to the end.
One of the most memorable games come from the Nintendo stable.
Today's casual gamers always tend to go for flashy cars, gore and rape, wich are mindless and forgettable throwaway fun.

So if it's true that the xbox will have the retrogames right from the box as stated above, it is great.
But from what i have experienced previously on the gamecube is that they delivered my retrofix on a more original way.
Like with animal crossing you can unlock retrogames that are part of the game, so it's more stimulating to play the game further.
I'm sure with the Revolution they will come up with more original ways that will make retrogames a part of the main game.
I allready have tons of retrogames and with emulation on pc most allready have that.
But to integrate them to the main game experience like some developers have done with Animal Crossing, Shenmue, Metroid Prime (with gba) and even with Demolition Racer :no exit is more fun.
Or they will come bundled with a game or be earned in some other ways through the net on the Revolution.

[GUTS]

You know what if this was a f*cking NINTENDO msg board then I would have been trolling.  It's not.  It's my bad though for not realizing there are actually some nintendo fans amongst those who own a Duo, I had no idea a bunch of old schoolers who had lived through the N64 and Gamecube could still be Nintendo fans.  Hell I love old school Nintendo too, just not what they've become since the N64.

Had Nintendo actually pumped out some good games this generation then I'd be lining up with you guys to praise Nintendo, but the simple FACT is that Nintendo dropped the ball and that's why they're now #3 in the industry.  Its not because PS2 has GTA III or Xbox has Halo, it's because Nintendo failed to make good use of their franchises, instead opting to persue stupid ideas like "connectivity".  Look at the new Zelda coming out, it's exactly what fans wanted in the first place and it's going to sell like crazy, had Nintendo done that from the start they wouldn't have lost a huge portion of their casual fans.

And I didn't mean Microsoft and Sony themselves put out tons of great games, I meant they encourage third parties to populate their systems with great games, while it seems like Nintendo just doesn't care that Gamecube owners have 10 games a year to choose from.

[zborgerd]

You know what if this was a f*cking NINTENDO msg board then I would have been trolling.  It's not.  It's my bad though for not realizing there are actually some nintendo fans amongst those who own a Duo, I had no idea a bunch of old schoolers who had lived through the N64 and Gamecube could still be Nintendo fans.  Hell I love old school Nintendo too, just not what they've become since the N64.

Had Nintendo actually pumped out some good games this generation then I'd be lining up with you guys to praise Nintendo, but the simple FACT is that Nintendo dropped the ball and that's why they're now #3 in the industry.  Its not because PS2 has GTA III or Xbox has Halo, it's because Nintendo failed to make good use of their franchises, instead opting to persue stupid ideas like "connectivity".  Look at the new Zelda coming out, it's exactly what fans wanted in the first place and it's going to sell like crazy, had Nintendo done that from the start they wouldn't have lost a huge portion of their casual fans.

And I didn't mean Microsoft and Sony themselves put out tons of great games, I meant they encourage third parties to populate their systems with great games, while it seems like Nintendo just doesn't care that Gamecube owners have 10 games a year to choose from.

Last I checked, Nintendo still has a slight edge on worldwide console sales over Microsoft...  I wouldn't equate lower North American sales with being "#3 in the industry".  Not that it really matters, anyway.

But, whatever.  I'm sure that, no matter what anyone says, you'll still find a reason for being angry with Nintendo.  Making poor use of the networking capabilities of the console, screwing up Zelda, killing kittens...  It doesn't do any good to try to argue about it, so I'm not going to bother trying.

All I know is that I've got nearly 30 Gamecube games, and found that their selection of quality games has been very good on this console.  If you simply want *more* games, look no further than the PS2.