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[nodtveidt]

You know what if this was a f*cking NINTENDO msg board then I would have been trolling.  It's not.  It's my bad though for not realizing there are actually some nintendo fans amongst those who own a Duo, I had no idea a bunch of old schoolers who had lived through the N64 and Gamecube could still be Nintendo fans.  Hell I love old school Nintendo too, just not what they've become since the N64.

I share some of the same opinions with you on this one...although the company has always been the way they are right now. They were just better at hiding it before. Also, you're gonna find fanboys wherever you go, so...might as well get used to it.

Had Nintendo actually pumped out some good games this generation then I'd be lining up with you guys to praise Nintendo, but the simple FACT is that Nintendo dropped the ball and that's why they're now #3 in the industry.  Its not because PS2 has GTA III or Xbox has Halo, it's because Nintendo failed to make good use of their franchises, instead opting to persue stupid ideas like "connectivity".  Look at the new Zelda coming out, it's exactly what fans wanted in the first place and it's going to sell like crazy, had Nintendo done that from the start they wouldn't have lost a huge portion of their casual fans.

One of Nintendo's ideals seems to be to ride the waves of their initial success 20 years ago as long as possible. Unfortunately for them, those waves have been pretty quiet for the last few years and there's not much momentum left. There's always going to be a core fanbase for their products though, so it's not like they're going to disappear anytime soon.

And I didn't mean Microsoft and Sony themselves put out tons of great games, I meant they encourage third parties to populate their systems with great games, while it seems like Nintendo just doesn't care that Gamecube owners have 10 games a year to choose from.

This is a very valid point and I can address this from experience. Nintendo has no real interest in pursuing new third parties...those which they obtain are always through other companies. You can liken it to an "old boys club", which people often call it...even some third party developers call it that. They also don't encourage a whole lot of innovation...most of their own software does nothing more than bring the same franchises "back to life" over and over again. Of course, this brings them money, which is what they're in the business for, obviously (you have to be in it for the money or you'll sink fast and hard). The problem is that that's the only way they see to make money...rehashing old ideas for the kiddies. Sony saw an opening in some unfilled genres and acquired third parties to fill the voids, whereas Microsoft capitalized on the FPS craze and online gaming. Both companies were extremely successful and continue to be, even if we've all seen one too many first person shooters (BOOOOOOOOORING) and sequels to sequels to sequels. All this being said...all three companies are doing very well, but Nintendo is playing the catch-up game while Sony steals the market away from underneath them. Microsoft may do very well in the USA, but the Japanese could mostly care less about the Xbox. That might change with the next generation though.

Back on topic: this whole thing sounds like a good idea and I hope it comes to full fruition. Who knows? Maybe some indies from this scene will get some of their games in there.

[Keranu]

By no means did I think GUTS was trolling at all here, that's outta line. We need more different opinions anyways.

I disagree with your thoughts on why Nintendo is not big anymore, GUTS. I personally think the real reason why Nintendo is not as big as the other companies right now, well at least out here in America, is because most gamers want the more "mature" games and not the "kiddy" games. From my experiences, this is all I hear why people won't play Nintendo anymore. Teenage pricks these days just have to go for the gore, theft, and sex instead of the actual gameplay, which I think Nintendo these days can still manage to do every now and then.

I think Nintendo went down hill when the N64 hit as well, but personally I can't stand the other video game companies out there today, so Nintendo is one of the few that can actually make a new game that I can still remotely have fun with, even if it's not as gold as the 8-bit and 16-bit days.

[RCduck7]

I couldn't believe what GUTS just said there about the N64, it is soooooo of the mark from my opinion.
The N64 doesn't has the quantity from the days of the SNES but the quality.
First, when Mario 64 came out it revolutionised 3D platforming.
Then we got Zelda: The Ocarina of time, wich is for many the best in the series yet.
It still has the best James Bond FPS, Goldeneye.
Nintendo came from 2D and did the transition to 3D so well where others struggled.
Many magazines held a top 10, top 50 or 100 that asked readers to let them know what there favorite games of all time were.
Many included 2 N64 games in the top 5!
But of coursse IF you're the guy that like games with flashy cars, gore and rape, then you might not see what it takes to make a great game that is so well put together like the best on the N64.

[Keranu]

One thing I can easily give the N64 is it's 3-D adventures which were better than the other systems, actually. This is mainly because of Mario 64 (this is a prime example of what a 3-D adventure is supposed to be like) and Orcarina of Time. Although for the most part, I thought N64 was just a weak console; I think Gamecube is a little better.

[RCduck7]

One thing I can easily give the N64 is it's 3-D adventures which were better than the other systems, actually. This is mainly because of Mario 64 (this is a prime example of what a 3-D adventure is supposed to be like) and Orcarina of Time. Although for the most part, I thought N64 was just a weak console; I think Gamecube is a little better.

It's save to say that if the N64 was the only console you owned at that time it was a bit of a pain to try and fill the gaps between the really good titles as there weren't 100's as with the SNES.
But that's partly marketing, a different matter.

This discussion makes me think of the Dreamcast.
Dreamcast had also very good games, was way forward and had much potential but it was ignored and people believed the hype of the emotion engine and the multimedia capabilities of the PS2.
These capabilities were years after release only half and poor executed.
It was still worth having a ps2 but only 2 years after it's release.

[nodtveidt]

The N64 is a console I've never personally owned (although I've played games on one a number of times for the hell of it) simply because it had zero titles I wanted. Zero. I like a grand total of one game on the GameCube, and it's now considered a "classic" (that would be Pikmin). The DS has zero games I like, and the only reason I own a GBA is to play original Gameboy games (like Zelda 4). I don't own an Xbox and probably never will, except maybe to own Brute Force, which a former friend of mine worked on when he was employed by Microsoft. I may buy Nintendo's new console simply for the promise of retro gaming, and this might also be a reason to buy the Xbox 360. Obviously, the PS3 will have a home with me simply because of backwards compatibility. This next generation is going to be very cool for retro gaming.

[RCduck7]

Maybe this topic should be moved to the "general console chat"

[KingDrool]

Hey, by the way, you might be able to play Turbografx games on your Xbox 360!  

Just trying to get us back on topic.

I hope stuff like this does happen, because it could potentially drive down the ridiculous prices of games on eBay.  Maybe...

[PC Gaijin]

Hey, by the way, you might be able to play Turbografx games on your Xbox 360!  

Just trying to get us back on topic.

I hope stuff like this does happen, because it could potentially drive down the ridiculous prices of games on eBay.  Maybe...

I actually think it could have the opposite effect: exposing more people to Turbografx-16 games who might have never played the system before, who then head out to ePay to collect the "real" versions of games they enjoyed playing on 360

I'm going to try to avoid the other discussion, other than this: saying all gamers are interested in nowadays is "sex, violence, and gore" is about as tired and cliched as "Nintendo is kiddy!"

[Michael Helgeson]

Well,wow.I look at it like this,each system serves a purpose in its own right,and gives everyone soemthing they need from it,and if it doesnt,then o well,sell it,and get the one that does.This debate went on in the Genesis"blast processing" days where Nintendo and Sega fans where fighting it out,and the release of MK 1 didnt help it much either.But in th eend,both systems had so much to offer.Heck the same goes for the Jaguar,3DO,and many others,excluding the CD-I,as anyone with a comp or half assed dvd player can play V-cds.Note to Philips,we hate you.
I dont own a X-Box,but I agree it has some very nice games,and is the only console right now that can give a up to snuff gaming experience that rivals the PC graphic,res,frame rate,and sound wise.But the majority of stuff for PS2 and Game Cube is very original,and has great quality,and in the Gamecubes case,not available on any other platform,including pc.The Resident Evils,and Eternal Darkness,the Zelda games,the Metroids,Radient Silverguns sequle,only released in the US on Game Cube,Ikagura,and many others,just make the GameCube worth having around if you like those games.The same goes for PS2 and X-Box both in the end.They ALL have quality software out for them.There isnt any kind of fighting or bashing over it needed.Anyone wnating to bash,or argue,join Guru3d,and become Nvidia,3DFX,or ATI fanboys.Thats the place for a fight about who/what is better.Some of the most vicious gamers I have seen come from there.I dont even post there anymore.
For what its worth,the PC gaming world is way more extreme then the current console war going on.As you have ATI,Nvidia,VIA,SIS,Intel,AMD,Creative Labs,Realtec,C-Media,and many others trying to fight for your money,and the fanboys dont help it much either.That and the whole Half Life 2/Doom3 thing made me want to shoot myself.
God Im losing track here,anyway,console fighting doesnt belong here,this site isnt even for the consoles mettioned above.And I left places like Guru3d because of the whole"So and So is better then So and So" thing.
I believe it truely belongs left to the pc market,and the fanboys there.The ones who upgrade and switch sides every 6 months.
all the game systems out now offer great games,there is something for everyone on each of them. And a real gamer doesnt care much about which system is better,he only cares about the good games released on the platform,and owning them,playing them,and being happy.Infact,the most hardcore gamer would have all 3 systems,and be happy and unjudgemental of the 3,and find a use for all of them.
For the most part I will say this though,there are alot of gamers who are not into pc gaming,but want to enjoy the kind of games released for pc.So far,only the X-Box can do that kind of close quality.FPS game ports from the pc to PS2 suck,graphically,framerate wise,audio wise,load time wise,about in every which way.Not just FPS,but others too,that the X-Box can do better.So it covers that need for gamers pretty well.The PS2 takes care of the rest just fine,as there are games specifically made for its hardware that just rock.Same for the GameCube,with a little inbetween,as it is pretty close to X Box graphic wise,has good FPS games,along with other stuff that runs faster and sharper then PS2,like NFS Underground,and Sould Calibur 2.Basically,to each their own,if they dont liek all 3,then to each their own.

[RCduck7]

What i was trying to say about the sex, gore and violence is that you have the casual gamers that go for how the game looks, the style and what is cool.
And then you have the gamers or hardcore gamers that look beyond that and only bother with a game like that if it turns out to be a good game and not one like "been there done that".
Someone who bought BMX XXX is ...  
Some who bought Resident evil 4 is ...  

[RCduck7]

Hey, by the way, you might be able to play Turbografx games on your Xbox 360!  

Just trying to get us back on topic.

I hope stuff like this does happen, because it could potentially drive down the ridiculous prices of games on eBay.  Maybe...

Like to play that Dracula X and Sapphire straight from a console.
It's always nice to have the real thing though.

[GUTS]

Yeah but RE4 was about as "been there done that" as they come.  The control was exactly the same as the old RE games, the only difference was the camera behind the character.  I mean for god's sake, you could even side step, but the zombies could!  WTF is that?  

Anyway, I agree that the argument about today's gamers only wanting sex and gore is cliched and tired, there has always been the segment of gamers that are like that, they're just the trashy people of every race like nascar fans and people who wear jerseys and their pants around their knees.  Unfortunately now it seems like more and more of those people are getting into games as they become more mainstream, and thus the high sales of shit like GTA San Andreas and Tony Hawk Underground Wasteland Extreme 35.

[Michael Helgeson]

I dont really enjoy the GTA games that much,its all the same.Tony Hawk,I could care less for.hes a late 30ies bionic robot who does the same thing over and over again,but hey,the kids love him,so who cares if the game play emulates the man himself.
The main reason why I liek the GameCube,Metroid Prime,takes the FPS,and actually brings new gameplay to the table for it,instead of being another Medal of Honor/Serious Sam clone.
The RE games.Not a bad one on the system.
Eternal Darkness.Does stuff RE doesnt.
There are others,like Product Number 3,stuff just not found anywhere else.
Makes the GameCube feel like the Dreamcast to me,very original and refreshing titles,if not a whole slew of them,then enough to warrent owning it.Enough to keep me happy with it.

[nodtveidt]

I must be a trashy gamer then, because I like (and also write) games with sex and gore.

*checks his wardrobe...hrm...no jerseys or baggy pants...hrm...no nascar on the television...hrm...*