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Re: Mysterious Song Status: Refunds possible?
« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2010, 04:25:29 AM »
The game is virtually complete, as it has been for quite some time now. We are STILL missing the final cutscene art though. I swear I'm just gonna give this f*cking thing away eventually, just to get it out of my damn hair.

I explained the refund thing before, and nothing on the subject has changed... paypal is still holding the money and there is apparently no way to get it back. I have been in contact with paypal's lawyers for quite some time now and even they don't know what the issue is. Anyone got a pointy stick?

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Re: Mysterious Song Status: Refunds possible?
« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2010, 04:52:27 AM »
Rover, would it be possible to change the address of one of the preorders?  As a refund is not possible from the creators, it would help some of us get in on the game who missed the preorders, and those who want their money back can get it.

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Re: Mysterious Song Status: Refunds possible?
« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2010, 08:51:00 AM »
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We are STILL missing the final cutscene art though

How come? And how long has it been that way? I think that people would rather have a complete game than have something released just because it has to.
By the way, who's xorking on that cutscene art?
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« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2010, 09:20:05 AM »
Rover, would it be possible to change the address of one of the preorders?  As a refund is not possible from the creators, it would help some of us get in on the game who missed the preorders, and those who want their money back can get it.
Yeah, I don't see why not. I'll be around for the next few days so if anyone wants to do this, just let me know and I'll make the changes in the order list.

How come? And how long has it been that way? I think that people would rather have a complete game than have something released just because it has to.
By the way, who's xorking on that cutscene art?
We have been waiting on the final cutscene art for over a year now. Black Tiger is the cutscene artist... we were hoping it would get finished at the end of last summer but it was delayed a bit... then the plan was for the end of the year, and that fell through too... then we set a final release date, pending the beta test results, but we still didn't have the final work... and now we're over a year overdue and still the art isn't finished. We have most of it and some of it is already in the game data, but there are scenes which are still incomplete and some which need some retouching to work.

SoZ, developing a PCE game isn't quite the same as developing a game for a more open system like the PC. Just making the game engine isn't always enough; with the low-memory issue, you can find yourself being forced to custom-tailor subprograms for each particular portion of the game. That becomes especially true for a huge production like an RPG. Also, since the compiler isn't as optimal as it could be, there tends to be a bit of overhead, and sometimes routines can be unoptimized, often creating large chunks of output code. So just adding assets isn't really the case here... I wish it was.

I am considering releasing the game as open beta, meaning that the full game in its current, unfinished form would become publicly available for free. This is obviously pending a vote from the team, but I think it would reassure people that this is most certainly not vaporware or a dead project that won't ever see the light of a replicator. Of course, this would also open it up to a big attack by certain Sega fanboys who know absolutely dick about the game's origin or about why the game is made the way it is, but you can't escape zealots in real life so there's no escaping them online either.
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Re: Mysterious Song Status: Refunds possible?
« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2010, 10:05:29 AM »
I am considering releasing the game as open beta, meaning that the full game in its current, unfinished form would become publicly available for free. This is obviously pending a vote from the team, but I think it would reassure people that this is most certainly not vaporware or a dead project that won't ever see the light of a replicator. Of course, this would also open it up to a big attack by certain Sega fanboys who know absolutely dick about the game's origin or about why the game is made the way it is, but you can't escape zealots in real life so there's no escaping them online either.

Well, that certainly would set the beast free.... it would be a little disappointing in the aspect that it would be cool to have a full on release, Cover Art, Disc.... you know the works. But, I have picked no bones with this game. Since the moment I can recall working on it this game has been a beast and has really worked us over.

This would free up time to take on another project, but I will refrain from commenting further on that as it would make me look a bit more selfish than I actually am.... excited about a project would be more appropriate than selfish :D
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Re: Mysterious Song Status: Refunds possible?
« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2010, 05:29:26 PM »
Just my two cents-- I think releasing the game "as is" just to "get it out there" is stupid. Many hours were put into the thing, and I think it ought to be finished before released to the public. Refund people's money if you must, and perhaps work on this other project while you wait for the final artwork, but I think you guys owe it to yourselves to see it finished.

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Re: Mysterious Song Status: Refunds possible?
« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2010, 12:12:19 AM »
Just my two cents-- I think releasing the game "as is" just to "get it out there" is stupid. Many hours were put into the thing, and I think it ought to be finished before released to the public. Refund people's money if you must, and perhaps work on this other project while you wait for the final artwork, but I think you guys owe it to yourselves to see it finished.

I agree with this.

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Re: Mysterious Song Status: Refunds possible?
« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2010, 01:44:37 AM »
Just my two cents-- I think releasing the game "as is" just to "get it out there" is stupid. Many hours were put into the thing, and I think it ought to be finished before released to the public. Refund people's money if you must, and perhaps work on this other project while you wait for the final artwork, but I think you guys owe it to yourselves to see it finished.

I agree with this.

As do I. It would be a shame for an unfinished product to be released after all the hard work that has gone into it.


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Re: Mysterious Song Status: Refunds possible?
« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2010, 02:50:23 AM »
Just my two cents-- I think releasing the game "as is" just to "get it out there" is stupid. Many hours were put into the thing, and I think it ought to be finished before released to the public. Refund people's money if you must, and perhaps work on this other project while you wait for the final artwork, but I think you guys owe it to yourselves to see it finished.

+1.  I've waited this long, so what's another few months?
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Re: Mysterious Song Status: Refunds possible?
« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2010, 04:00:33 AM »
Screw releasing it open-beta for free.  That's giving in to defeat.


Also, PM me the scoop on the paypal bullshit.  I've been pretty good at getting them to stop dicking off in the past.  Maybe I can lend some expertise in getting that clusterf*ck fixed.
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Re: Mysterious Song Status: Refunds possible?
« Reply #25 on: October 15, 2010, 09:07:52 AM »
Heya.  AS i started the thread, thought i would chip in.  Im happy to wait ( as it seems many others are aswell ), would rather see a completed product than one which has been ruhed out due to pressure.  I appreciate the updates, i do think these should be a little more often then, as being able to understand the issues you have does give me a level of appreciation as to why there are delays :).. 
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Re: Mysterious Song Status: Refunds possible?
« Reply #26 on: October 15, 2010, 11:25:18 AM »
I appreciate the updates, i do think these should be a little more often then, as being able to understand the issues you have does give me a level of appreciation as to why there are delays :).. 

I know not everyone has one, but Frozen Utopia has a Facebook and I do actually update that from time to time. More often than the actual Frozen Utopia site is updated. Certainly more than is mentioned here. So, if you wanna join the Frozen Utopia Facebook page that would be great. Also, that is where the most updates will be for the Jungle Bros. project.... once it gets fully underway.
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Re: Mysterious Song Status: Refunds possible?
« Reply #27 on: October 15, 2010, 05:41:34 PM »
The actual site doesn't get updated very often at all... and the forum's pretty much dead as well, and is likely going to be closed to the public soon since the only action there is behind the scenes... there are also over 400 new registrants waiting for approval, and pretty much 100% of them are spambots... I don't really have the time or desire to approve of and then delete accounts that I know don't belong to PCE fans.

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Re: Mysterious Song Status: Refunds possible?
« Reply #28 on: October 15, 2010, 06:09:02 PM »
If you close the public forum, could you leave the old posts intact? There's still some good info floating around in the developers section.
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Re: Mysterious Song Status: Refunds possible?
« Reply #29 on: October 15, 2010, 07:07:45 PM »
Yknow, if it's difficult to get updates posted on the site, or because not everyone has facebook, if its cool with you guys, I can copy pasta the updates as news feeds on Aetherbyte

though I dont know if anyone actually goes to my site either. 
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