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pc-engine+CD power adapter question
« on: October 25, 2010, 06:45:45 PM »
I have a pc-engine (hucard only) system and it died a few years ago and I still have some games I really want to play.

I was thinking of ordering the pc-engine with cd from rising stuff but it says it doesn't have a power adapter included. I also saw one on craigslist that doesn't have a power adapter either. I own a tg-16 with cd and I have the original power adapter. I noticed that these power adapters made by nec on ebay are really expensive. I am assuming you cant use one from Best Buy. I live in U.S.  .... So my questions are....

1.Can I buy a generic (Best Buy, Radio Shack) power adapter for a pc-engine+CD unit?
2.Could I use my original U.S. tg16+CD power adapter on a pc-engine+CD system?
3.Why are the original U.S. Tg16 NEC power adapters so expensive used condition? no substitutes?

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Re: pc-engine+CD power adapter question
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2010, 07:20:59 PM »
I have a pc-engine (hucard only) system and it died a few years ago and I still have some games I really want to play.

I was thinking of ordering the pc-engine with cd from rising stuff but it says it doesn't have a power adapter included. I also saw one on craigslist that doesn't have a power adapter either. I own a tg-16 with cd and I have the original power adapter. I noticed that these power adapters made by nec on ebay are really expensive. I am assuming you cant use one from Best Buy. I live in U.S.  .... So my questions are....

1.Can I buy a generic (Best Buy, Radio Shack) power adapter for a pc-engine+CD unit?
2.Could I use my original U.S. tg16+CD power adapter on a pc-engine+CD system?
3.Why are the original U.S. Tg16 NEC power adapters so expensive used condition? no substitutes?


Please check this link for the specs of the various AC adapters:

http://www.gamesx.com/wiki/doku.php?id=repair:pcepowersupplies

The PC-Engine IFU unit takes PAD-123.

Answers to your questions:

1a) Best Buy does not carry a universal AC adapter that covers the amperage of the PAD-123.
1b) Radio Shack has this AC adapter but the amperage is not perfect. It's really recommended to buy an official replacement.
2) No, the voltage is different, and the plug sizes may be different as well.
3) Price gouging.

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Re: pc-engine+CD power adapter question
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2010, 12:16:35 AM »
Why not region mod your TG16 and save the trouble of having to get another system?
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Re: pc-engine+CD power adapter question
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2010, 01:44:26 AM »
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Re: pc-engine+CD power adapter question
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2010, 02:18:29 AM »
was thinking of ordering the pc-engine with cd from rising stuff but it says it doesn't have a power adapter included.
I don't recommend this idea.   Get it from a reliable source that keeps up with communication.  Even yahoo japan auctions will be a safer experience probably.


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1.Can I buy a generic (Best Buy, Radio Shack) power adapter for a pc-engine+CD unit?
Yeah.  I got a replacement/spare adapter from Radio Shack with switchable voltage.  Just take the system in and find the adaptaplug that fits in the jack.  Make sure you match the polarity, and go go go.

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3.Why are the original U.S. Tg16 NEC power adapters so expensive used condition? no substitutes?
Dumbasses + ebay = ^^^^
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Re: pc-engine+CD power adapter question
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2010, 03:23:48 AM »
So you're after a suitable power supply for the Japanese IFU-30, AKA a briefcase setup (the device that holds both the console and CD-Unit)?

I have one, what you want is:

[ul][li]DC 9V 1450mA[/li][li]+ --(o-- - (polarity is outside positive & inside negative)[/li][li]2.5mm plug[/li][/ul]
Voltage you should keep to 9V and you must obey the polarity. Amps can be higher but not lower. There is no harm in using a power supply with a higher rated Amperage as the console will only draw on what it needs.

I had no problems in finding a suitable one at my local electronics store, I can't see why you would either.

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Re: pc-engine+CD power adapter question
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2010, 11:37:07 AM »
There is no harm in using a power supply with a higher rated Amperage as the console will only draw on what it needs.
Frank, can you prove this?

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Re: pc-engine+CD power adapter question
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2010, 12:13:33 PM »
Yeah my biggest fear was damaging the system trying random adapters. I'm going to check out the store with the info you guys gave me and see what they got. Does anyone have a part # and specific store? That one at radio shack is about $30. That's pricey!

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Re: pc-engine+CD power adapter question
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2010, 12:18:18 PM »
Basic Electronics. Total Resistance controls current. Current and voltage control amperage. Ergo, if voltage and resistance are held constant, unit will draw constant amperage. No more, no less.

(I don't remember the exact formulas, but most basic electronics books have them. They also mention that the reason you need a fuse is just in case the resistance drops to 0, allowing loads of current to flow. Nothing is ever mentioned about using too many amps - just too few )

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Re: pc-engine+CD power adapter question
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2010, 12:38:14 PM »
Basic Electronics. Total Resistance controls current. Current and voltage control amperage. Ergo, if voltage and resistance are held constant, unit will draw constant amperage. No more, no less.

(I don't remember the exact formulas, but most basic electronics books have them. They also mention that the reason you need a fuse is just in case the resistance drops to 0, allowing loads of current to flow. Nothing is ever mentioned about using too many amps - just too few )
Can you prove that the PC-Engine IFU, released in 1988, has the proper resistance to handle amperage over the amount normally provided by the official AC adapter?

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Re: pc-engine+CD power adapter question
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2010, 12:55:22 PM »
Official adaptors are a waste of money and time since they are old as hell now about may fail. The (somewhat overpriced) Radio Shack one is the one to get for any NEC CDROM system since almost nothing made today can supply the current these old power hogs require.

A higher amperage rating is OK. If the system says it wants 9V, then 9V is what it needs. The amperage could be 1A, or 1000A, it doesn't matter. See: Ohms Law.

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Re: pc-engine+CD power adapter question
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2010, 01:00:10 PM »
Official adaptors are a waste of money and time since they are old as hell now about may fail. The (somewhat overpriced) Radio Shack one is the one to get for any NEC CDROM system since almost nothing made today can supply the current these old power hogs require.

A higher amperage rating is OK. If the system says it wants 9V, then 9V is what it needs. The amperage could be 1A, or 1000A, it doesn't matter. See: Ohms Law.
Zeta, your point about the age of the official adapters is a good one, but to apply ohm's law we need to know what kind of resistance is built into the PCE-IFU unit.

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Re: pc-engine+CD power adapter question
« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2010, 01:27:04 PM »
The total resistance isn't fixed since it will go up and down depending on how many controllers are plugged it, as the CD seeks, the volume level changes, etc. You don't need to know it though. Unless the system shorts internally, its incapable of drawing more amperage than designed. The amount of current flowing through the IFU will be determined by the resistance (same as when the IFU was built) and the voltage (same between the RS and OEM PS). Since the original supply was rated at 1450mA, then we know that the maximum expected draw from a healthy PCE is the same or less, meaning that the minimum resistance of said unit is 6.2Ω. In reality is actually much more than that. I've run my Duo R off a 240mA PS and it actually ran fine except when the CD moved. Then the display went dim and bad stuff started happening (ie: it was outdrawing the PS I was using, and voltage was dripping below 9V, probably below 5V).

Likewise, you can put the 12V battery from a big GMC diesel van in your 1984 Honda Civic (assuming you could physically fit it under the hood) with no problems at all, even though the amperage on the van battery is probably 6 times what the Civic needs.

Also, the difference between the Radio Shack and OEM adaptors is 50mA, which is below production variations, from my experience, anyway.

I think I'm not doing a good job of explaining it, but its really a second nature concept for me as I learned this stuff in the 8th grade and use it every day. I'm sure there is a Flash animation or something on the internet (probably using a garden hose as an analogy) that does a great job of explaining it.

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Re: pc-engine+CD power adapter question
« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2010, 01:39:34 PM »
What Zeta (and others) says is true, rag-time: it's pretty elementary electrical stuff.

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Re: pc-engine+CD power adapter question
« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2010, 04:20:23 PM »
Basic Electronics. Total Resistance controls current. Current and voltage control amperage. Ergo, if voltage and resistance are held constant, unit will draw constant amperage. No more, no less.

(I don't remember the exact formulas, but most basic electronics books have them. They also mention that the reason you need a fuse is just in case the resistance drops to 0, allowing loads of current to flow. Nothing is ever mentioned about using too many amps - just too few )
Can you prove that the PC-Engine IFU, released in 1988, has the proper resistance to handle amperage over the amount normally provided by the official AC adapter?

Considering these basic laws of EE were made long before the PCE, and that the PCE is pretty solidly made stuff, I'd venture to guess its not going to blow up. 


I mean, stuff from the 70s is safe, and its not just because of the woodgrain.
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