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Re: Final fantasy 14 did so bad square enix did this
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Re: Final fantasy 14 did so bad square enix did this
« Reply #31 on: December 13, 2010, 12:11:02 PM »
I still think they could have done way better they spent 8 year making the game i meen i can undstand if the game was not developed as long.  they also beta tested the game and have numious complaints about stuff they didnt care to fix appon release.  I do know one thing that upset beta testers was  they werent lisened to it like wtf did they waist all that time beta testing for they werent lisened too.  From at least open beta to release all the fixed was come mouse lag.  The game can be defened all you like theres no dening this is one of the worst launches of a game period. 
They have not been developing the game for 8 years.  8 years ago, FF11 was basically brand new.

All that mouse-lag/interface lag horse shit is a moot point.  That's your COMPUTERS problem.  Do you know how many retards got on Ff14 with underpowered machines?  TONS.  That didn't stop them from bitching like little girls. 

They did fix things between beta and launch.  i CLOSE beta tested the game.  and then OPEN beta tested it.  Things were changed up in alot of the classes.  I think Square ignored alot of the complaints because they were pansy little girl complaints like OH THIS MENU HAS A BUTTON I DONT LIKE. MAKE IT EASIER TO SMACK MY FACE ON THE KEYS AND GET WHAT I WANT.

as for worst launches ever, I think you are mistaken, and over exaggerating.

Go look at the history of Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, and DnD Online.     You want a clusterf*ck, Vanguard is your game.    post-beta, I was still falling through the environment, and still doing -28839239289823 damage to enemies and healing them in the process.  Among all the other problems leading to that teams demise.


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The marketting system i can sea total complaints with too.  Id rather be undercutted for the conviniances of actualy being able to find gear i want.  The retainers reset ever  day or 2 not sure exact so i have to spend more frustraing time trying to sell stuff when  no one can find it to buy it anyway.  When i do find gear its ether to high or to low.  I can shout all i want i find it at a price im not willing to pay or  how do i know if its worth it.  I can check many of the website that make it more conveniant but they could say something is here you go look for to ond out its not there becouse the retainers reset and someone didnt bother to put there retainer back.  I have to check each indivdual person to see what items tthere sellign ti find out they only want reapairs of other crap.  I have even seen some peopel shout to find what they want to come up emty handed 4 hours later ebcouse the peopel selling said item are afk trying to sell there crap.  There nothing bout being lazing in a systesm you try to fidn shit but still cant.  I ill just gear up my job with higher level gear and be al kimp for the frustration it takes to find gear of the proper level to only go out and die faster then shit becouse of my gear then having to get it repared faster then it should be repared.  They need an ah system like ffxi or make the  retainrs at least not reset ever 2 day.  I log in to see if i sold anything to fidn out myretainer was resetto the point no one could see it.
If the retainers didn't reset, all of the whiney f*cks that quit the game would have their vendors in limbo, taking up space for nothing.  Be thankful they reset.  Otherwise you'll have nowhere to put your retainers, and then that will be a new complaint for people.

This form of marketplace has been in effect for 12 years on Ultima Online and it works fine. The difference being, the people on UO aren't pussies, and don't mind spending 30 minutes to an hour shopping for their character.  Again, the retainers WEAR THE GOODS THEY SELL.

Try observing the retainer.  If you see bows, THAT ONES PROBABLY SELLING A BOW OR TWO.

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Another things is i see no point in all this extra content if no oen is around to utalize it.  I dont no about the server you are but the server im only dont have enough peopel to do shit there 1 gtruely active ls with enough people to do shit.  EVey other ls keeps trying to get short handed becouse people keep quiting the game.
Corneria is crowded. 

The extra content (that most people are too dumb to find apparently?) should give people MORE reason to play.   On top of having good faith that more stuff will be added.  Welcome to an MMO thats 2 months old.  How many brand new MMOs have you dove into?

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One complaint i have is  the linkshell system.  TO add someoen you have to be right in front of the person to invite them well o just like ffxi so no complaint there.  ! thing tho why do peopel who arent even logged int he game clutter  up your linkshell they will never log in you coudl just kick them but wait you cant you have to hunt them down and figure out were in the game they are but seence there never logging in becosue they  quite how on earth do you kick them.  Yuo could say make a new but there should be no reson to have to do that.  Then you have times when someones being a jack ass and oh there making more problems then its worth but agan you cant kick them ok find no problem but agan you have hunt them down but wait were in the game are they there current location does not pop up.
Heres a question, if you dont see the person how do you know they are existent to be added to the linkshell?  Unless you want to just add random people , I don't see the point of complaint.

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Party system i h can see some people who have an isue becouse some peopel do not want to solo in the game.  WIth the party system  you cant do a seach function to see who wants a party you have to be lucky and have a ls who does it reguarly or shout.  To invite them you have to hunt them down agan  and be right next to them to invite them even if youin the same zone  why should you have to be right next to them.  AT lauch while this was  fixed launch anyway did not even dispaly party members on you mobs so  you lose them you have to ask were did you go i lost you.
Clearly you have not been on in a while, as I am using the search function for parties right now.

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So how out side of lack of content i sure i dont see how people couldnt get mad at the game.  Yes all the isues can get fixed but agan they betaed the game and had numious complaint they they didnt even bother to fix just launched the game regardless that pretty sad imo.  The one and only thing i noticed ixed from open beta to retail was  some shit mouse lag.  80% of the people were not happy with the game for one reson who aa nother and i can see people who betaed the game being more pissed off then people who didnt becouse the perpose of beta testers is to fix any isues and they realy didnt lisen. i had a freind who played beta and i saw changes ever now and then but no major changes they they should have adressed  for release. 

Sorry for the wall of text but you fail to see how  they treated teh game from beta to retail and why peopel got psised off you seem to look passed it and say it will improve when peopel didnt want to many problems from the start.

They fixed more than you think with regards to each Job, and alot of the other petty bitching has been fixed since. 

remember this is the THIRD MONTH of the games existence.  If you are expecting perfection, you must be a newcomer to the "brand new MMO" scene.

This is doing a f*ck of a lot better than other MMOs did right at launch.  They're all a clusterf*ck at launch.  Deal with it.   Enjoy your extended free trial.  3 free months of gameplay = cost of game basically.

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Re: Final fantasy 14 did so bad square enix did this
« Reply #32 on: December 13, 2010, 12:44:45 PM »
lol not rely iv never heard of any game thats realy done this badly at launch.   Free trial does not = cost of the game hwo bad this game more like $50 to piss you off.  You still just avoiding why this game did so bad at launch. Over looking becosue unlike alot of peopel your patiant  and willing to wait for stuff to be improved. The search function wasnt there at launch tho is what im saying.  despite all the improvements they madd this last update  i found it no one realy came back and more peopel quite or at least on my sever thats how it was.  But if they improve the game and no ones around to play it how do they realy no its improved.
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Re: Final fantasy 14 did so bad square enix did this
« Reply #33 on: December 13, 2010, 01:49:43 PM »
lol not rely iv never heard of any game thats realy done this badly at launch.   Free trial does not = cost of the game hwo bad this game more like $50 to piss you off.  You still just avoiding why this game did so bad at launch. Over looking becosue unlike alot of peopel your patiant  and willing to wait for stuff to be improved. The search function wasnt there at launch tho is what im saying.  despite all the improvements they madd this last update  i found it no one realy came back and more peopel quite or at least on my sever thats how it was.  But if they improve the game and no ones around to play it how do they realy no its improved.

Subscription = 12.99+$ depending on your characters.

3 months = 39$ more or less, with what is assumed to be at least another month also.   That's about the cost of the game.  Especially since you can buy the game for 29.99 now.

I'm not avoiding why the game did bad at launch.  I justified it quite well, and I am playing the game right now, wondering what the big deal is.  The "bad at launch" is more like "whitey couldnt f*cking cope with something that isnt WoW, and cried about it all over the googlemachines"

The update came out a month into the games official launch, and brought on enough fixes to the whining that I don't see why people are really giving it such a hard time.

You clearly never experienced the launch fiasco that is Vanguard: Saga of Heroes or D&D Online.   Because of this I suggest you stop saying FF14 is the worst launch disaster ever.

At least in FF14 you dont fall through the floor constantly, heal enemies with physical attacks, login to find that your gear/money is missing, or realize all sorts of other disasters leading to the company in question ceasing to exist.

Square has done damn well to address the bitching of the masses, and to fix them in a timely order while trying to keep everyone happy.

Whatd all the other MMOs do?

Lets see:

Vanguard: They shrugged and said we're getting to it
D&D: Its free now, what does that tell you.
Phantasy Star Universe: Has no done shit to fix anything, ever.

then you have other games like Ultima which despite being great, release disaster expansion packs 8+ years into the game, and completely break everything, and drag their feet fixing it.


So, in all honesty, I would say Square is doing a damn fine job with ff14. 
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Re: Final fantasy 14 did so bad square enix did this
« Reply #34 on: December 13, 2010, 05:01:38 PM »
Well when it comes to bad lauch ever i never heard talks of dd onlien being this bad a launch. 
same thign goes for vangrad but this game i here all kinds of shit about.  Iv experianced a few games at luanch and this is the worst of of ever game iv played at luanch.  Most my experiance is from free to play games at launch tho and they still werent this bad.  If they  they can tget peopel to play and enjoy the game the other mmo could over shodow this but even if it becomes popular   i dont see it being any more popular then 500k peopel liek 11 if that even.  All i know is my sver i play on is loosing people ever day its not gaining or gainign any at a fast rate.
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Re: Final fantasy 14 did so bad square enix did this
« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2010, 08:08:02 PM »
Well when it comes to bad lauch ever i never heard talks of dd onlien being this bad a launch. 
same thign goes for vangrad but this game i here all kinds of shit about.  Iv experianced a few games at luanch and this is the worst of of ever game iv played at luanch.  Most my experiance is from free to play games at launch tho and they still werent this bad.  If they  they can tget peopel to play and enjoy the game the other mmo could over shodow this but even if it becomes popular   i dont see it being any more popular then 500k peopel liek 11 if that even.  All i know is my sver i play on is loosing people ever day its not gaining or gainign any at a fast rate.

citation needed.


If you look at the review trends, the ones post-update are pretty positive, and the majority of the complainers are reviewing via typing paragraphs of typo ridden nonsense.

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Re: Final fantasy 14 did so bad square enix did this
« Reply #36 on: December 14, 2010, 03:21:13 AM »
I don't no what game your talking about but no one game ff14 a good review at all.  The game has also already fallen in price.

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Re: Final fantasy 14 did so bad square enix did this
« Reply #37 on: December 14, 2010, 03:28:44 AM »
Would it have been so f*cking hard for Square to keep the series' seperate by calling Final Fantasy XI - Final Fantasy Online, and Final Fantasy XIV - Final Fantasy Online 2? 

This is all way too confusing... which ones should I avoid now if I just want to play an actual Final Fantasy RPG?
Final Fantasy 1 through 10 are just regular old role playing games right?
Then 11 is some play by subscription MMORPG?
then 12 and 13 are back to being Role Playing games again?
Then 14 is another MMORPG.....?

WTF!?!?!

That'd be like if Sega wanted to REALLy f*ck with people and called Phantasy Star Online - Phantasy Star V, PSO ep II - Phantasy Star VI, PSO III Card Battle mega wonder- Phantasy Star VII...etc ....etc......

Ugh, I used to really like Square.

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Re: Final fantasy 14 did so bad square enix did this
« Reply #38 on: December 14, 2010, 03:44:25 AM »
citation needed.

Read the link provided in the original post; it's pretty obvious that Square doesn't agree with you that FF14 had a fantastic launch and that most everybody loves the game.
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Re: Final fantasy 14 did so bad square enix did this
« Reply #39 on: December 14, 2010, 04:02:31 AM »
citation needed.

Read the link provided in the original post; it's pretty obvious that Square doesn't agree with you that FF14 had a fantastic launch and that most everybody loves the game.

The reson being is despite the update to fix stuff more people quite and most no one realy came back.  They even discounted the game already by $20 to try and get people to buy the game. I could provide 9 links
to reviews saying the games bad.  Verious ff14 comunity sites for the game were people are verry unhappy as well.
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Re: Final fantasy 14 did so bad square enix did this
« Reply #40 on: December 14, 2010, 06:16:01 AM »
citation needed.

Read the link provided in the original post; it's pretty obvious that Square doesn't agree with you that FF14 had a fantastic launch and that most everybody loves the game.

I didn't say it had a fantastic launch and that everybody loves the game....

I just said it didn't have the disaster of a launch all the WoWfags are whining about, especially when compared to other MMOs that WERE disasters (Nearly every MMO has a rocky as f*ck launch.  All of them even.  WoW wasn't a picnic on day 1 either).  Square is handling the complaining bullshit in an amazing manner.  No other company handed out endless free trials until the game makes everyone happy, and the other ones didn't just up and yank pros from other projects to work on the MMO.   They're doing great.

The wowfags are slowly leaving FF14 for Cataclysm, and all will be right once they all vanish.

If you read reviews from launch day, followed by ones post-Update, you'll see the general opinion of the game is slowly shifting back to "oh this is good".  The forums at Eorzeapedia show that trend too, as does the activity going on within Uldah on Corneria.

I haven't found alot of complaints from the Japanese side of things, and I'd imagine the Japanese are all mostly probably laughing at the whiney round eyes right now, because most of the Japanese players, just like in FF11, are kicking ass and taking names.  No problem.

and Geralds, you haven't heard of Vanguard?  That's probably a good thing, because THAT game, was the worst disaster in MMO history.  If you would have been there at that games launch, you'd think this FF14 stuff is nothing.
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Re: Final fantasy 14 did so bad square enix did this
« Reply #41 on: December 14, 2010, 07:14:32 AM »
I read up on it ya they made the same mistake that se did with final fantasy 14.  That game  cant even hold a 100k subcriber base all becouse they had a bad launch.  I read they did the same thing se did and game free trials till it was ready but they lost over half the peopel when they switch to pay to play method.  The game only still going becouse the company giving it a glimmer of hope that most hardly anyone will even bother to play becouse of the horable launch that game had.  They had 2 or 3 server max and they eventual merged them into one becouse of lack of people.  That games proves that yes even a bad launch game makes a game stay alive for to year dont meen people will play the game.  That game was also not as hightly anticipated at ff14 and did not sell much from the beggining anyway.  The company who made it   went defuct after the game becouse of the horable launch a sony online enterntainment took it over.  Square enix is a more well known company with more to loose then a company just starting out and there first game being a rushed mmorpg.  The company who  ran vangard did the same thign square enix did  this to me sounds like a dirrect repeate of the same thing vangard did and thats just sad for square enix having already did 1 mmorpg online. If sony didnt take over vangard the game would be defunct now becouse of its shity launch all the content in the world could no make anyone play all the fixes in the world did no make anyone ells want to play vangard.  It only holds 40k subscribers or less now. 

The main big differnt between vangard  and ff14 tho is  ff14 has a second chance  with the ps3 launch but just showing the hole vangard thing is proof enough thats all that will save the game and make more people play.  The lauch reviews were even better for vangard.  The main reson i will call this ggame to have the worst launch ever then vangard is becouse square enixs a well nown company and already had experiance with a mmorpg.  Single games online didnt even have any other games out that could have been 1 leading factor in the games shity launch then it was rushed.  You are comparing a compnay that had no packing no other games released but a rushed moo to a 20 year old company who even had experiance with running a mmorpg already.
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Re: Final fantasy 14 did so bad square enix did this
« Reply #42 on: December 14, 2010, 08:25:35 AM »
I read up on it ya they made the same mistake that se did with final fantasy 14.  That game  cant even hold a 100k subcriber base all becouse they had a bad launch.  I read they did the same thing se did and game free trials till it was ready but they lost over half the peopel when they switch to pay to play method.  The game only still going becouse the company giving it a glimmer of hope that most hardly anyone will even bother to play becouse of the horable launch that game had.  They had 2 or 3 server max and they eventual merged them into one becouse of lack of people.  That games proves that yes even a bad launch game makes a game stay alive for to year dont meen people will play the game.  That game was also not as hightly anticipated at ff14 and did not sell much from the beggining anyway.  The company who made it   went defuct after the game becouse of the horable launch a sony online enterntainment took it over.  Square enix is a more well known company with more to loose then a company just starting out and there first game being a rushed mmorpg.  The company who  ran vangard did the same thign square enix did  this to me sounds like a dirrect repeate of the same thing vangard did and thats just sad for square enix having already did 1 mmorpg online. If sony didnt take over vangard the game would be defunct now becouse of its shity launch all the content in the world could no make anyone play all the fixes in the world did no make anyone ells want to play vangard.  It only holds 40k subscribers or less now. 
Free trials extensions were not given out.   Rather, they started making it free after people had already paid subscription fees.  The game had such a large cancellation rate that the company went under and Sony had to pick up the pieces. 

They did not make the same mistakes as SE.  Vanguard had legitimate bugs.  Glitches, horrible problems and mechanic-issues.    I had a level 5 bard that ran faster than horses that level 20 people were riding.   One race could fly from one continent to the other if you climbed a high enough building and jumped while running.

You fall through the ground, you heal enemies with melee damage due to math-errors.   The content was bugged, everything was a mess.   It was to be the WoW Killer, but instead, fell flat on its face, horribly.

This is definitely not a direct repeat.  You weren't there for the Vanguard travesty.  It's nothing like it.  The problems in FF14 aren't bugs and a very lax response to them.  Its just people dont like the game and square is trying to make them all happy.  I ran across one bug and it was a server bug not an in game bug.  Fill out a report, get a reply w/i 24 hours, no problem.    Square likes to keep everyone happy.  Its not Squares fault the entire western gaming world is made up mostly of drooling WoW-tards that only understand games that spoon feed you to max level.

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The main big differnt between vangard  and ff14 tho is  ff14 has a second chance  with the ps3 launch but just showing the hole vangard thing is proof enough thats all that will save the game and make more people play.  The lauch reviews were even better for vangard.  The main reson i will call this ggame to have the worst launch ever then vangard is becouse square enixs a well nown company and already had experiance with a mmorpg.  Single games online didnt even have any other games out that could have been 1 leading factor in the games shity launch then it was rushed.  You are comparing a compnay that had no packing no other games released but a rushed moo to a 20 year old company who even had experiance with running a mmorpg already.

The actual main difference is, Square is Square.  Sigil was an undercompany to Sony.   Sony didn't like the disaster and fired the idiots.  Square can't fire themselves.  They can bring in people from other projects and improve the PC game just like they are doing.

The PS3 launch has nothing to do with a "second chance"  The games going to get its improvements, and the PC one will be just fine, and the PS3 launch will bring a wave of idjuts to the game, just like when PS2 had its FF11 launch.

Its all going to be a big repeat of 11.   11 wasn't perfect when it launched in Japan.  Since yknow, no MMO is.    The important part is whether or not the company quickly addresses problems and fixes them for the masses. 

They may not be ACTUAL PROBLEMS, and may in fact just be a bunch of whiney cockheads griping because the games not WoW, but either way, they're the paying customers, and Square's job is to keep the majority happy.
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Re: Final fantasy 14 did so bad square enix did this
« Reply #43 on: December 14, 2010, 11:54:57 AM »
I still find it a repeate of the vangard game non the less it wont get cancelled but i just cant see it getting any more popular till ps3 copy comes out and we see more reviews.  I find it pretty sad the already discounted ff14 and that fact when i read up on that becouse stores are trying to clear out what the have and evenat the discounted price the game doesnt real sell.  The only thing that will attrack more people is more media exposure to let people know it was actual fixed. 

I have seen several comments like this one that is stated:

I agree with this completely. In my opinion, this game just isn't fun. ._. I was one of the first people to level my character to the 30+ range and one day I said, "this is such a chore". Playing just for the sake of "getting ahead" is really no fun; there isn't any endgame now anyway and it will be some time before they have it ready. No point.

But hey, to each his own, and FF fanboys and girls will do what they want and keep backing the game. That's fine too, but for the majority that feel this game is not good, we're going to hold back until they release a game worth the time we spend on it.

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Re: Final fantasy 14 did so bad square enix did this
« Reply #44 on: December 14, 2010, 12:28:52 PM »
The game being discounting argument you seem to rely upon so much means little.  MANY MMO type games drop in price fairly quickly (look at Star Trek online, etc).

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