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vestcoat

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Good movies for surround sound
« on: March 10, 2011, 12:59:48 PM »
Any movie recommendations for good surround sound listening? (edit:  or music albums on DVD for that matter)

I don't know if Blu-ray discs are any better, but most of the movies I watch on DVD in 5.1 amount to little more than a few gunshots and an airplane panned around to the rear speakers.  Last night I watched some Lord of the Rings again (first time in a long time) and really appreciated the artistic use of surround sound to create an immersive environment.  Unfortunately budgets are tight and such luxuries are rare outside of the usual explosion-packed blockbusters.  For old movies entering the digital world in particular, I've heard of engineers in post-production houses having one day to turn mono audio into a 5.1 mix.  Oops, I'm rambling.

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Re: Good movies for surround sound
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2011, 01:49:11 PM »
Any movie recommendations for good surround sound listening? (edit:  or music albums on DVD for that matter)

I don't know if Blu-ray discs are any better, but most of the movies I watch on DVD in 5.1 amount to little more than a few gunshots and an airplane panned around to the rear speakers.  Last night I watched some Lord of the Rings again (first time in a long time) and really appreciated the artistic use of surround sound to create an immersive environment.  Unfortunately budgets are tight and such luxuries are rare outside of the usual explosion-packed blockbusters.  For old movies entering the digital world in particular, I've heard of engineers in post-production houses having one day to turn mono audio into a 5.1 mix.  Oops, I'm rambling.



I thought some of the battles in Gladiator were quite immersive with surround sound :D
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Re: Good movies for surround sound
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2011, 04:17:52 PM »
Debbie Does Dallas, this movie really "scores" in surround.

Joe Redifer

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Re: Good movies for surround sound
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2011, 04:38:45 PM »
Quote from: vestcoat

I don't know if Blu-ray discs are any better


Oh, they most definitely are better, but you need to have a fairly recent receiver and good quality speakers/subwoofer(s) to take advantage of it.  Blu-ray uses either no compression or lossless compression (which is the same as no compression, only that it's compressed... like ZIP, you never lose data with ZIP).  DVD uses lossy compression where details in the audio are actually discarded altogether, like MP3.  Plus, Blu-rays can be in 7.1 discrete channels and DVD can deliver only 6.1 and it rarely ever does that.

ANYWAY, some good sounding movies are:

Flight of the Phoenix - The recent one with Dennis Quaid.  During the beginning when the plane crashes gives any system a good work out.  Not sure if the mix was toned down for DVD or not, but the Blu-ray sounds amazing.  The rest of the movie has some great sound as well.

The Nightmare Before Christmas - The whole movie sounds great, but the opening song on Blu-ray especially is amazing because it takes full advantage of Dolby True HD 7.1 sound.  Sounds kind of crappy on DVD.  The recent DVD release probably sounds better than the one that has been out for a while.

Star Trek - The recent one has many awesome sounding moments.

Star Wars Episode 1 - The POD race scene is amazing.  It supposedly sounds even better if you listen to it on LaserDisc.  I'll do an A/B comparison between the LD and DVD audio this weekend.

Toy Story 2 - The opening videogame scene has an awesome sound mix, better than any real videogame has ever sounded.

Those are the only ones that pop into my head right now, though I'm sure there are many more examples that I'm not thinking of at this moment.

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Re: Good movies for surround sound
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2011, 05:51:59 AM »
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Surround sound is usually more annoying than anything. Good stereo all that's needed to get me into it. No matter how many $5 speakers you add to the mix, it will still suck unless its quality gear that has been well set up. Sadly, good stereo is something that has almost disappeared since the early 80s. Last night I was listening to a near mint copy of Peter Gabriel's 3rd album (usually called "Melt") on gear that is as old as me (except for the cartridge and speakers) in my living room (which has no TV) and the effect was far more immersive than any over-engineered, made by Chinese slaves, all-digital, surround machine I've ever heard...and my shit isn't even that good.

Even mid-range 7.1 setups just sound like a bag of gimmicks most of the time. The mixes are usually too aggressive with virtually nothing coming out of some speakers most of the time with the occasional way way too desecrate sound effect once in a while. This includes everything from $1000 home systems to $150,000 theater systems. The shit just doesn't sound good or natural in the slightest, more distracting and punishing than it is immersive...so in other words they fit well with the movies they belong too: breaking glass, knife sharpening, nails on chalkboard, random rolling basswaves...a perfect companion for Transformers movies where the once-cool robots have been rendered as filthy brown/grey juice machines than look less like they are Transforming, and more like they are being crumpled into a ball.

And really, the more channels Sony/Dolby add to their systems, the harder it gets. Where the f*ck are you going to put 7 damned speakers plus at least one sub? And since even a middle of the road speaker costs at least $150, how the f*ck can you afford the stuff?

OK, that's the end of my rant now...

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Re: Good movies for surround sound
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2011, 07:40:50 AM »
I agree that good stereo is under appreciated.  People don't sit down and listen these days, music is either in the other room or on earbuds.  I have a pair of studio monitors for mixing (Mackie MR8's - cheap, but worlds above similarly-priced competitors) and it's a real pleasure to sit and listen to well-produced stereo recordings.  I don't have have a problem with digital as long as it's lossless and the converters aren't crap, but it is nice to get some tubes in the line to warm things up.

The two problems I see with surround sound are:
1)  People don't know how to set up their equipment.  The subwoofer is always maxed-out to the point of absurd and the other speakers are either placed asymmetrically or strangely EQ'ed.
2)  The mix itself sucks.  Like Zeta said, the rear speakers go unused most of the time.  Obviously, standards for 6.1, 7.1, etc, are still being developed and the the primary role of the rear speakers is generally sound effects, but that doesn't mean they need only be used for explosions.  It's a rare treat to find movies like LotR where the engineers have both the creativity and budget to fill in the sound field throughout the movie. 

Personally, I have a 5.1 system in my living room with a 27" CTR from the early Nineties.  I have cheap, 3-way, Fischer boxes from 1980 as my mains.  The center and rear speakers are ten-year-old, Radio Shack RCA's.  I don't have a subwoofer and don't care; the LFE is added to the mains and there's no reason I need to hear 30Hz in my living room or torture my neighbors in the downstairs duplex.  Even with this pile of crap, there's a lot of things I like.  I appreciate the dedicated center speaker for voices, it's cool to hear off-screen actors come from the L-R channels, and the two rear speakers startle me once in a while and are enough to create a spacial, 3D environment without filling my living room with speakers.
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Re: Good movies for surround sound
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2011, 07:59:45 AM »
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Re: Good movies for surround sound
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2011, 08:25:02 AM »
Debbie Does Dallas, this movie really "scores" in surround.

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Re: Good movies for surround sound
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2011, 09:29:02 AM »
I agree that most people will not set up their home theater systems in any competent manner.  Both the sub and the surrounds will probably be way too high.  But in all honesty, the surrounds don't need to be used all or most of the time, so I don't understand what you guys are complaining about in that regard.  Are you thinking that, for some odd reason, movies should be mixed like MUSIC?  The surrounds being on all of the time would be distracting and fatiguing.  There is music released in 5.1 and 7.1 formats that make you sound like you are inside the band as all speakers are going at once.  I'm not so sure I like feeling like I am inside the band.  For music, stereo is great (when done right).  For movies, the sound goes to the rear only when it's needed to go to the rear.

But complaining about movie mixes can also be applied to music.  What music do you hear that is mixed well these days?  Answer:  virtually none.  There are overly produced and mixed to the point where there is lots of clipping going on.  The music industry sucks.  The movie industry does not mix sounds where they are actually clipping on the recording.  They mix everything at a MUCH lower volume which, in turn, give everything more dynamic range (something that has been missing from music recordings for a very long time).  This, of course, requires you to raise the volume knob.

Bottom line = Movies and music are two different things.  Don't expect them to be treated the same.

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Re: Good movies for surround sound
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2011, 10:59:30 PM »
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... Last night I was listening to a near mint copy of Peter Gabriel's 3rd album (usually called "Melt") ...

I haven't listened to that album in a long time, but it is great. I can't believe I used to buy albums on cassettes (hey, I was a kid)...but I remember that I didn't fast forward through any of the songs. Well, there was some song about driving on a motorcycle that always irked me, but I'm not 100% positive it's on the album.

I still don't know why I like "I don't remember" so much, considering I thought the lyrics were "basic" even when I was a kid. I suppose it was fun to sing along to.  Love that song :)

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