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Joe Redifer

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Re: Earthquake in Japan
« Reply #45 on: March 14, 2011, 06:44:47 PM »
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Re: Earthquake in Japan
« Reply #46 on: March 14, 2011, 07:34:45 PM »
Here's the thing:  Nuclear reactors MIGHT melt down in a very-worst-case scenario. 

Yeah, not really. Petroleum harvesting is relatively safe too, but there is always going to be some drunk captain somewhere running his shit aground, or some company building totally unsafe rigs that explode, etc. The same is true of nuclear power. As long as its in use, once in a while you're going to get a meltdown. When it does there is always going to be an explanation/excuse/whatever (commies suck, the industrial hygienists were corrupt teamsters who have since been replaced, earthquake, etc) and some of them are pretty good...but in the end a meltdown is a meltdown and there is no excuse or explanation that can de-radiate land, bring people back to life, or un-mutate huge amounts of wildlife. Sure these reactors in partial meltdown now are "old", but today's state of the art plant is tomorrow's relic, and they'll use the same lame excuse when that one melts down in 2050.

Batteries in the landfill...it just doesn't rate...at all. Its not even in the same universe as a nuclear meltdown. Its...completely f*cking dishonest/insane to even claim that it is. People don't just pack up overnight and run in fear, abandoning their homes (possibly forever) because there is some lead in the ground.

The stakes are just way WAY too high. A solution to global warming? f*ck, its about the only thing I can think of that is nearly as dangerous as global warming itself short of actual nuclear war.

Nuke power is one of those things that people trust because its been around so long, like the family shotgun or birth control pills, but if the shit were invented today, and all the facts laid out before they went into use, only crazy people would advocate the shit.

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Re: Earthquake in Japan
« Reply #47 on: March 14, 2011, 10:03:16 PM »
The ONLY solution to global warming is time.  Even if every single person stopped using all forms of energy RIGHT NOW the reduction in all of that nasty stuff people claim cause global warming would be very minimal for quite a very long period of time.  The planet's temperatures take a loooong time to significantly change.  Global warming has happened before and it will happen again.  That's what happens when you are a planet like Earth.  Only man is arrogant enough to think he has control over mother nature.

Birth control pills are pretty damn effective, btw.  So are shotguns.
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Re: Earthquake in Japan
« Reply #48 on: March 15, 2011, 03:20:11 AM »
Batteries in the landfill...it just doesn't rate...at all. Its not even in the same universe as a nuclear meltdown. Its...completely f*cking dishonest/insane to even claim that it is.

Nobody is saying that the risks are the same, but it's no less dishonest to claim that renewable energy is 100% safe.  There are no free lunches.



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Re: Earthquake in Japan
« Reply #49 on: March 15, 2011, 07:02:22 AM »
It's like the compact fluorescent light bulb.  Uses less energy, yes, but causes way more environmental damage when you throw them away because they contain mercury.
I used to think CFL's were pretty stupid for this reason.  I then talked with both a CFL sales rep at an expo and the energy expert an environmental non-profit where I used to work and they both stated that the amount of mercury contained in a CFL is less than the amount of mercury created to power incandescent bulbs for the life of a CFL...so, as long as coal-burning power plants continue to provide the majority of our electricity, CFL's will reduce our mercury footprint.

EDIT:  That said, it still sucks when I reach for my alarm clock and knock my lamp over, breaking a CFL and having a not only a pile of broken glass but a little toxic waste zone next to my bed.   :cry:
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Re: Earthquake in Japan
« Reply #50 on: March 15, 2011, 08:09:27 AM »
Get yourself a good LED bulb and you'll save money in the long run.  Just make sure you check the lumen output, as many of 'em put out so little they're kinda worthless.
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Re: Earthquake in Japan
« Reply #51 on: March 15, 2011, 09:18:22 AM »
LED bulbs will eventually be the future, but they're not quite there yet.  For one, they need to become more easily dimable.  Nothing dims quite like an incandescent.  Halogens come close, but they can buzzzzzz.

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Re: Earthquake in Japan
« Reply #52 on: March 15, 2011, 09:34:40 AM »
In terms of lumens per watt, halogens aren't much better than a standard incandescent bulb, at least not compared to a good fluorescent or LED lamp.
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Re: Earthquake in Japan
« Reply #53 on: March 15, 2011, 11:12:04 AM »
LED bulbs will eventually be the future, but they're not quite there yet.  For one, they need to become more easily dimable.  Nothing dims quite like an incandescent.  Halogens come close, but they can buzzzzzz.

other thing is that halogen light bulbs have some health issues.. I think since they been around people have been experiencing dry skin conditions, eczema, headaches... although I'm too tired and sad to do any googling right now..

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Re: Earthquake in Japan
« Reply #54 on: March 15, 2011, 05:08:51 PM »
I think it doesn't take so much more longer from now till we all use LED bulbs, the stores here are already full of em. Old wolfram edison bulbs are already almost dissapeared.
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Re: Earthquake in Japan
« Reply #55 on: March 16, 2011, 12:02:33 AM »
Yeah. Did you get any LEDs for your house yet Tats?

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Re: Earthquake in Japan
« Reply #56 on: March 16, 2011, 05:08:12 AM »
I'm glad that we can set aside our differences and talk about light bulbs.  PCEFX rules.
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Re: Earthquake in Japan
« Reply #57 on: March 16, 2011, 06:27:15 AM »
Well it's kinda related to the whole power discussion. In the US, for example, the population has risen a lot in the last 20 years but the power usage has stayed relatively the same. It's thanks to more efficient stuff like LED lightbulbs :D

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Re: Earthquake in Japan
« Reply #58 on: March 16, 2011, 08:03:54 AM »
Our house is almost entirely CFLs. LED bulbs are too expensive here just yet.