Earthquake in Japan

[grahf]

The stupidity of some people is painful.

[BlueBMW]

It frustrates me greatly that some people have adopted such a hateful view.  I guess I would have hoped that my generation would not still be holding a grudge over something that happened during our grandparents era.  Celebrating a natural disaster as "payback" for something that happened 70 years ago... despicable.  Believe me, Japan already got their "payback" during the war.  The American retaliation at the end of the war should have been more than enough to satisfy these bigot's sick desires for revenge.  I hope our friends in Japan don't get the impression that many Americans hold those views, because we don't.

[Tatsujin]

damn, from tomorrow on almost every household as well officbuildings in kanto region will have up to 6 hours power down for at least one month.

[rodek]

Is this for real !?

I hope that reactor stays cooled down.

Expected Effects of Acute
Whole-Body Radiation Doses
Acute Dose
(rads) Probable Effect
0 - 50 No obvious effect, except possibly minor blood changes.
80 - 120 Vomiting and nausea for about 1 day in 5 to 10 percent of exposed personnel. Fatigue but no serious disability.
130 - 170 Vomiting and nausea for about 1 day, followed by other symptoms of radiation sickness in about 25 percent of personnel. No deaths anticipated.
180 - 220 Vomiting and nausea for about 1 day followed by other symptoms of radiation sickness in about 50 percent of personnel. No deaths anticipated.
270 - 330 Vomiting and nausea in nearly all personnel on first day, followed by other symptoms of radiation sickness. About 20 percent deaths within 2 to 6 weeks after exposure; survivors convalescent for about 3 months.
400 - 500 Vomiting and nausea in all personnel on first day, followed by other symptoms of radiation sickness. About 50 percent deaths within 1 month; survivors convalescent for about 6 months.
550 - 750 Vomiting and nausea in all personnel within 4 hours from exposure, followed by other symptoms of radiation sickness. Up to 100 percent deaths; few survivors convalescent for about 6 months.
1000 Vomiting and nausea in all personnel within 1 to 2 hours. Probably no survivors from radiation sickness.
5000 Incapacitation almost immediately. All personnel will be fatalities within 1 week


And I can't believe those ignorant people about the harbour bombings

[Tatsujin]

So if that chart is for real, all americans gonna to die. Because 750 rads are deadly for sure.

So that is a clear answer to the accuracy of that chart. BBS!

[jperryss]

Is this for real !?

I've read on fark.com and 4chan that it's faked. RADs are absorbed radiation dose, a map like that wouldn't use RADs.

[vestcoat]

Holy cow.  That FB compilation is insane.  And like BMW said, none of those nitwits were even alive to remember it.

Anyway, excuse me, but I'm going to go into a major rant now....

The nuclear power plant situation is damn scary.  It's annoying how they call it a "partial meltdown."  Either the reactor is melting down or it's not. The fact that only one or two of the three reactors are melting down doesn't make it partial.  Everyone insists that this shit is safe and it's complete bullshit.  I have a hell of a lot of more confidence in Japan's infrastructure than what we have in the States and their plant wasn't even severely damaged in the quake, it just lost power and back-up power and...oh, oops, the reactor is melting down.  We still have no idea what the f*ck to do with the waste and all of these nuke plants keep getting older and older.  The only solution is to keep the shit in water and surround it with new layers of concrete, which is basically a duct tape solution.

Here in Minneapolis, budgets are cut for everything so the rich can get tax breaks while the I35 bridge collapses ten blocks from my house.  The roads are disintegrating with thousands of new potholes every year, street pipes are exploding in New York,  and the other Mississippi bridge near my house is closed for repairs for 8 months because they realized the supports were badly corroded on a bridge that's only 30 years old. Meanwhile, I'm supposed to trust the infrastructure and budgeting decisions of the penny-pinching, green-washing, increasing-deregulated private utility company (Xcel) when they say that their nuclear waste is perfecting safe sitting in what were intended to be temporary dry-storage casks at nearby Prairie Island - a 500-year flood plain in the middle of the Mississippi river at the headwaters of the bread basket of the nation...and, coincidentally enough, an Indian reservation who the utility company _lied_ to and told they were only building a steam plant back when the thing was built.  f*ck.  Nuclear power is the stupidest f*cking thing humans have ever done.

[BlueBMW]

Holy cow.  That FB compilation is insane.  And like BMW said, none of those nitwits were even alive to remember it.

Anyway, excuse me, but I'm going to go into a major rant now....

The nuclear power plant situation is damn scary.  It's annoying how they call it a "partial meltdown."  Either the reactor is melting down or it's not.  The fact that only one or two of the three reactors are melting down doesn't make it partial.  Everyone insists that this shit is safe and it's complete bullshit.  I have a hell of a lot of more confidence in Japan's infrastructure than what we have in the States and their plant wasn't even severely damaged in the quake, it just lost power and back-up power and...oh, oops, the reactor is melting down.  We still have no idea what the f*ck to do with the waste and all of these nuke plants keep getting older and older.  The only solution is to keep the shit in water and surround it with new layers of concrete, which is basically a duct tape solution.

Here in Minneapolis, budgets are cut for everything so the rich can get tax breaks while the I35 bridge collapses ten blocks from my house.  The roads are disintegrating with thousands of new potholes every year, street pipes are exploding in New York,  and the other Mississippi bridge near my house is closed for repairs for 8 months because they realized the supports were badly corroded on a bridge that's only 30 years old.  Meanwhile, I'm supposed to trust the budgeting decisions and technology of the penny-pinching, green-washing, increasing deregulated utility company (Xcel) when they say that their nuclear waste is perfecting safe sitting in what were intended to be temporary dry storage casks at Prairie Island - a 500-year flood plain in the middle of the Mississippi river at the headwaters of the bread basket of the nation...and, coincidentally enough, an Indian reservation who the utility company _lied_ to and told they were only building a steam plant back when the thing was built.  f*ck.  Nuclear power is the stupidest f*cking thing humans have ever done.

I myself am a proponent of Nuclear power as a solution to energy needs for the next 50 to 100 years, or until renewables can been implemented on a large scale.  I'm not sure which is worse, the waste / effects from Nuclear power or the waste / effects from continuing to burn so much coal for power needs.  The newer breeder reactor systems use much less fuel (and create much less waste!)  There are risks with Nuclear power, but when properly managed, the risks are very small.  This earthquake was one of the most powerful on record.  It is amazing that the plant didn't sustain more damage than it did!

[vestcoat]

Thanks for ignoring my rant f-bombs and writing a civil response.  I realize people have other opinions and, believe it or not, I respect that.

The risks of nuclear power aren't minimal.  Maybe they are at first, but even newly-built plants will start to crumble someday.  There's absolutely no storage solution and, even if we find one, that raises the risk of transporting the mess.  I would choose asthma, mercury fishing advisories, and the environmental damage of strip mining coal and mountaintop removal before burdening our descendants with waste that will never be safe.  We're ready for wind power but we need to invest in it.  Unfortunately, it keeps getting compared to the cost of a cheap, hundred-year-old technology with an established infrastructure - coal.  

[BlueBMW]

Thanks for ignoring my rant f-bombs and writing a civil response.  I realize people have other opinions and, believe it or not, I respect that.

The risks of nuclear power aren't minimal.  Maybe they are at first, but even newly-built plants will start to crumble someday.  There's absolutely no storage solution and, even if we find one, that raises the risk of transporting the mess.  I would choose asthma, mercury fishing advisories, and the environmental damage of strip mining coal and mountaintop removal before burdening our descendants with waste that will never be safe.  We're ready for wind power but we need to invest in it.  Unfortunately, it keeps getting compared to the cost of a cheap, hundred-year-old technology with an established infrastructure - coal. 

Well we both agree on one thing.... coal is NOT the answer   I just dont see another alternative to Nuclear right now that can replace coal as the primary source of large amounts of electricity.  Wind, solar, tidal, geothermal etc CAN do it, but it does require an investment that, unfortunately, most people are not willing to make.

And civility rules! 

[vestcoat]

Well we both agree on one thing.... coal is NOT the answer  

Yep.  With all the "clean coal" PR going around it's funny how people forget that you're still strip mining coal!   

And civility rules! 

Word. 

[guyjin]

it also fails to mention the time period. 750 rads a second? a minute? an hour? a day? a year?

there are very significant differences between those, and this map assumes there isn't. BS.

[Joe Redifer]

In response to the image Tats posted of morons saying this earthquake is revenge for Pearl Harbor, I'd just like to say that if there was ever any revenge to be had, it has been done and then some when we dropped atomic bombs on two of their cities destroying a very large civilian population.  These idiots seem to have forgotten that.  How much revenge to they think we need for having a military base attacked?  Geesh!  Those are the people whom I would not miss if THEY died in an earthquake (or in any other fashion).

[turbogrfxfan]

Man thats sad.  First thing I wondered was if Tats was ok.  This is real upsetting to me and should be to everyone.  So when people died 10 miles away from my house during 911, they did what to whome to deserve to die?  Its not chess.  These people are the reasons why we are looked at the way we are.  Shame.

As far as the radiation coming to the united states.  When we dropped the 2 bombs on Japan......wasnt the magnatude of radiation far more than the nuclear facility?   What is the real probability?

[jperryss]

it also fails to mention the time period. 750 rads a second? a minute? an hour? a day? a year?

there are very significant differences between those, and this map assumes there isn't. BS.

Map is fake.

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