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Re: Why the PCE? Why Not the Genesis or Snes???
« Reply #180 on: March 27, 2011, 04:37:07 AM »
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(1) On Light Guns In the arcade, I enjoyed light gun games. However, for whatever reason (they are many), it never seemed to be nearly as fun at home. I had the "Enforcer" for Sega-CD and dabbled with later light guns for later consoles. I suppose the same can be said for the Dance Dance games...they have never been as fun at home as in the arcade. I still enjoyed light guns/dance mats at home, but definitely some "magic" had been lost (at least for me). I don't know if this is simply because of the wonderful industrial hardware in the arcade, the social aspect, or what. I will freely admit that I need to re-play the home conversions of light gun games, and I'd be happy to do it. I actually enjoy the genre.


(1.5) TANGENT: Hybrid Games. Discussion of light gun games got me to thinking of SNATCHER and BAYOU BILLY. I actually enjoy the quirkiness of games that blend genres. For example, I recently mentioned here that I ACTUALLY ENJOYED Bayou Billy's light gun sequences (quite challenging!). I also enjoyed the driving sequences in that game, too, and I think I'm a fan of hybrid games in general. Obviously, some hybrid games are broken, which is a shame, because it stigmatizes the entire concept. The deeper problem, of course, is that mixing genres increases the chances of turning off a player (since tastes and interests are so finicky and subjective).


(2) On Bonk Series. Bonk 1 and 2 are the best, no debate. I personally have a strong attachment to Bonk 1 because I really liked the atmosphere it created. Even though Bonk's Revenge refines a lot of things, it could not re-create that initial feeling of "Wow, I love this new universe I'm exploring!" from the first game. Very few sequels have managed to do this, so this certainly isn't a knock against Bonk 2, by any means.

Bonk 2 was an extension of the first game (stage design, character design) with a few little twists to keep things fresh. I had a lot of fun with Bonk 2, it was everything I wanted it to be.

Bonk 3, though, I have only played via emulation, and it (both HuCard and CD) simply did not capture and hold my interest like the first two games. Sure, it looked like the previous games...

I have to be honest: by the time I played the SNES games (late- 90's onward), I was pretty dismissive of them. However, in the interest of making a fair comparison, I'd have to go back and give them another chance. (I used to be as dismissive towards Vigilante, for example, and now I like the game more than I ever did, even in 1989). So, who knows? Maybe I'll even give Bonk III another chance, but I doubt my verdict will change.


(3) On the increasing importance of music. I have less free time as I age, so video game music has become increasingly important as a way for me to stay connected and involved in the hobby I cherish. Of course, I always was a slut for video game music, but now the ratio of listening:playing is heavily weighted to the "listening" side because I can listen to music whilst commuting, driving, biking, cleaning cat litter, etc. etc.

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Re: Why the PCE? Why Not the Genesis or Snes???
« Reply #181 on: March 27, 2011, 04:45:01 AM »
Bonk 1 is the best one as far as vibe goes.   Its cartoony, but no so cartoony that its cartoony.

If that made any sense at all.


The 2nd and 3rd games are a bit toooooo cooky.  Super Bonk 1 was like fullblown cooky.  I like bonk 1's setup the most

I agree, and I think the music was perfect in Bonk 1.

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Re: Why the PCE? Why Not the Genesis or Snes???
« Reply #182 on: March 27, 2011, 05:56:56 AM »
Red text on a black background is one of the cardinal sins of web design.

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Re: Why the PCE? Why Not the Genesis or Snes???
« Reply #183 on: March 27, 2011, 05:57:53 AM »
The music in Bonk 1 is definitely the best.  It has this soft, kind of eerie tone.  Its all warm and fuzzy.  The later games its just full blown cooky caveman cartoon music.
[Fri 19:34]<nectarsis> been wanting to try that one for awhile now Ope
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Re: Why the PCE? Why Not the Genesis or Snes???
« Reply #184 on: March 27, 2011, 06:02:10 AM »
(1.5) TANGENT: Hybrid Games. Discussion of light gun games got me to thinking of SNATCHER and BAYOU BILLY. I actually enjoy the quirkiness of games that blend genres.

Not well known contender in this category: SCUD: The Disposable Assassin for Saturn.

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Re: Why the PCE? Why Not the Genesis or Snes???
« Reply #185 on: March 27, 2011, 06:41:41 AM »
Bayou Billy was a masterpiece.
[Fri 19:34]<nectarsis> been wanting to try that one for awhile now Ope
[Fri 19:33]<Opethian> l;ol huge dong

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Re: Why the PCE? Why Not the Genesis or Snes???
« Reply #186 on: March 27, 2011, 06:45:18 AM »
I think i have a theory on why Bonk is in a city in super bonk.

Maybe the levels are set in Bonk's dreams???
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Re: Why the PCE? Why Not the Genesis or Snes???
« Reply #187 on: March 27, 2011, 06:50:35 AM »
The rpgs for snes were amazing like Zelda, super metroid, chrono trigger ect.

I don't think Zelda and Super Metroid qualify as RPGs.
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Re: Why the PCE? Why Not the Genesis or Snes???
« Reply #188 on: March 27, 2011, 07:45:51 AM »
(1.5) TANGENT: Hybrid Games. Discussion of light gun games got me to thinking of SNATCHER and BAYOU BILLY. I actually enjoy the quirkiness of games that blend genres.

Not well known contender in this category: SCUD: The Disposable Assassin for Saturn.


Never heard if it before. I'll check it out, but the title screams "Total CRAPFEST"…but, I should judge a book by it's cover.


Bayou Billy was a masterpiece.

If the beat-em-up stages weren't so monotonous, I'd love that friggin' game!

I gotta try the Japanese version, which is more enjoyable and less contrived, allegedly.
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Re: Why the PCE? Why Not the Genesis or Snes???
« Reply #189 on: March 27, 2011, 08:24:59 AM »
But nothing beats Streets of Rage 3.....
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Re: Why the PCE? Why Not the Genesis or Snes???
« Reply #190 on: March 27, 2011, 08:50:34 AM »
Black text on a yellow background is scientifically the easiest thing to read.

Thats why school busses and hazard signs are made like this.




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Re: Why the PCE? Why Not the Genesis or Snes???
« Reply #191 on: March 27, 2011, 09:55:07 AM »
Nah......obey the Sega 32X!
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Re: Why the PCE? Why Not the Genesis or Snes???
« Reply #192 on: March 27, 2011, 12:19:07 PM »
But nothing beats Streets of Rage 3.....

 For me, Streets of Rage 1 beats it. SOR 3 also has horrible music. And the US color scheme for the main char is soo lame looking (JP colors are better).

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Re: Why the PCE? Why Not the Genesis or Snes???
« Reply #193 on: March 27, 2011, 01:25:30 PM »
But nothing beats Streets of Rage 3.....

Sure, streets of rage 1 & 2 for example.
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Re: Why the PCE? Why Not the Genesis or Snes???
« Reply #194 on: March 27, 2011, 01:31:09 PM »
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(2) On Bonk Series. Bonk 1 and 2 are the best, no debate. I personally have a strong attachment to Bonk 1 because I really liked the atmosphere it created. Even though Bonk's Revenge refines a lot of things, it could not re-create that initial feeling of "Wow, I love this new universe I'm exploring!" from the first game. Very few sequels have managed to do this, so this certainly isn't a knock against Bonk 2, by any means.

Bonk 2 was an extension of the first game (stage design, character design) with a few little twists to keep things fresh. I had a lot of fun with Bonk 2, it was everything I wanted it to be.

Bonk 3, though, I have only played via emulation, and it (both HuCard and CD) simply did not capture and hold my interest like the first two games. Sure, it looked like the previous games...

I have to be honest: by the time I played the SNES games (late- 90's onward), I was pretty dismissive of them. However, in the interest of making a fair comparison, I'd have to go back and give them another chance. (I used to be as dismissive towards Vigilante, for example, and now I like the game more than I ever did, even in 1989). So, who knows? Maybe I'll even give Bonk III another chance, but I doubt my verdict will change.


(3) On the increasing importance of music. I have less free time as I age, so video game music has become increasingly important as a way for me to stay connected and involved in the hobby I cherish. Of course, I always was a slut for video game music, but now the ratio of listening:playing is heavily weighted to the "listening" side because I can listen to music whilst commuting, driving, biking, cleaning cat litter, etc. etc.



Such nice and agreeable thoughts on the bonk games. Also point (3) exactly describes as it is for me as well.
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