Why the PCE? Why Not the Genesis or Snes???

[TheClash603]

My list of PCE/TG16 faves...Turrican, Silent Debuggers, etc etc etc etc... the list goes on and on.

Really?  The rest of your list was so good!

[Arkhan]

Turrican sucks a fat dick.

/thread.

[awack]

If they stuck with hucards longer than they did, then yes, 8KB is just to low for uncompressing allot of graphics.


I just spent a good part of last week playing the most impressive games on each system(with the exception of rendering ranger for the snes), actual console, composite video.

Best graphics: Beyond Shadowgate, unparalleled detail, lots of color in the BGs, tons of animation, very high resolution, standard horizontal res for pce and snes games is 256, standard/high res for genesis is 320...Shadowgates horizontal res is 352 which means every thing looks great on an actual TV.

Other great looking games: Seiken Densetsu 3 for the snes and Flink for the genesis.

Best animation: Saphire...believe it or not, Rondo has more frames (actual unique frames) than Sapphire but the type of animation and size of the spites and tiles(for some bosses) that animate, are what make the difference.

Other games with good animation: Donkey Kong Country, Earth Worm Jim, Rondo, Toy Story, Fatal fury special(ACD)

best special fx: Rondo, frames, and art, make them the best in my oppinion, they are still being used to this very day...this isn't mode 7, this is beautifully hand drawn animation.


best fmv: Silpheed.


best 3D: either Starfox or Virtual racing.

[Arkhan]

I was always floored by the stuff in Flashback and Out Of this world.

The goony 3D stuff.  It really made me erect at the young age of ~10.

Flashback style games are fun.  I always wanted to make one but to me making the physics is a pain in the ass.  Its very strange movement to me.  Like prince of Persia.

[Tatsujin]

yeah, 3D on 16Bit (in 16bit times) > 3D on 32bit (in 32bit times). at least for most of the games.

I have played uncoutable hours of Starglider II. it was the ultimate 3D expierence.

[Otaking]

Started reading this thread then had stop a few posts in as can not abide anyone who doesn't accept the epic greatness of the SFC/SNES  
I raise arm, lift hand, rotate hand 180°, hold palm to sfc haters face, turn head, then walk away....

 

[Tatsujin]

was that a serious post?

[ddd1234]

Turrican sucks a fat dick.

/thread.

That is not right! In fact, there are lots of good Turrican games out there.

I would recommend Mega Turrican/Turrican 3 for you.

[Otaking]

was that a serious post?

Mostly joking, hence the smiley at the bottom of the post. 

I got as far in the topic as

The SNES is cool, too, but it just isn't as interesting for some reason I can't put my finger on.

then had to stop reading...


I really do the love the SFC, I'm a total FanBoy, I think it has a huge selection of incredible games.

I'd personaly rank:

1: SFC

2: PCE , very close between PCE and SFC. SFC pips it only due to Shigeru Miyamoto's games.

3: NEO GEO .... Last Resort for the win!

4: Megadrive


everyone has different tastes and points of view I guess,
A similar example if I was reading a thread and I read someone saying they don't really like PCE Dracula X or Winds/Gate of Thunder... just makes me think R-TARDed, epic fail.
 

[Arkhan]

Turrican sucks a fat dick.

/thread.

That is not right! In fact, there are lots of good Turrican games out there.

I would recommend Mega Turrican/Turrican 3 for you.

I spent a period of time wondering why the hell people loved turrican so much, so I literally played every version of it ever, on every platform.

I still think the games retarded.

The C64 one has awesome music though, so thats the best one if you ask me

Turrican 2's bass lines are mad phat

[Firebomber7]

I like the SNES a lot, I think it has a great library.

The Genesis on the other hand is a bit of a different story, the Genesis had a fairly diverse library of games being released between 1989 and 1992, after that the Genesis library became overrun with 1. Ports of games that were better on SNES 2. Sports games 3. Sega first party games which varied wildly in quality.

Simply put, for the Genesis there's not enough unique software on the system for it to have any major advantage over the TG16 in my book.

Added in edit: The PC Engine itself has another huge draw which is it has a lot of games that quite frankly I've not played. I was a huge gamer in the 16-bit era, I subscribed to lots of game mags. Most Super Famicom and Genesis games worth owning made their way to the US. The PC Engine and TG16 have vastly differing libraries which leaves more to be discovered.

Also the library suits my "likes" as far as gaming goes. My three favorite Genres are J-RPGs, Platformers and Shmups. Two of the three are well represented on the PCE .

I have to completely agree with this. I was pretty heavy into gaming during the 16-bit era, and owned a Genesis, Sega CD and SNES back in the day. I had played a Turbografx-16 and knew of the PC Engine, but almost nobody I knew had one. The only games I had a chance to play was Keith Courage and Bonk's Adventure. That was it. None of the movie/game rental shops carried TG-16 games, just NES, SMS, Genesis, Sega CD, SNES, etc.

In the mid-late 90s, I discovered emulators and roms. I got into NES, Gameboy and Genesis roms quickly... mostly playing Phantasy Star IV and Shining Force II, which, ironically, were games I owned anyway. The novelty of playing them on my computer and not taking up the family TV was awesome. Of course, by this time, rental shops had moved on to the 3DO, Saturn, PS1 and N64. Although I had a Saturn and PS1, I LOVED having a way to try out all of the games I'd missed earlier, or wanted to play more but didn't have access to.

Thanks to Harry Tuttle's website, "The Dump", it wasn't long before I was diving into the TG-16/PC Engine library (why was the TG-16 the ONLY system where you had to pay for the emulator???). All of those games that I'd read about in Gamepro and EGM were at my disposal, and then some! Well, the HuCard games anyway. I finally got to spend some quality time with the Bonk games. I saw how awesome Devil's Crush was. I had fun on Blazing Lasers. I discovered that the NES didn't have the best version of Life Force, but wondered why it was called Salamander in Japan. I discovered how different JJ&Jeff was from Kato&Ken. I realized how sad the SMS version of R-Type was when compared to the awesome TG-16 version. WOW, it was a whole new world of 16-bit games that I'd missed right there for me to play!

Later on, I moved to Japan. I had a modded X-Box with all the emulators on it, as well as a PS3 when it came out. I was spending a lot of time playing MAME games on the X-Box mostly. I mostly hung out in the PS2/3 section of game shops. Then, a boxed Sega Saturn caught my eye for just 3000yen ($30). I bought it, along with about 30 games at a few yen each. The bill came to about 5000yen. Not bad, I thought. Just two years later... I had every retro system and most every retro game I'd ever wanted. Which 16-bit system came out as my favourite out of the bunch?

[Tatsujin]

NEO GEO .... Last Resort for the win!

WÖRD!

[Tatsujin]

Turrican sucks a fat dick.

/thread.

That is not right! In fact, there are lots of good Turrican games out there.

I would recommend Mega Turrican/Turrican 3 for you.

I spent a period of time wondering why the hell people loved turrican so much, so I literally played every version of it ever, on every platform.

I still think the games retarded.

The C64 one has awesome music though, so thats the best one if you ask me

Turrican 2's bass lines are mad phat

I think the two first Turricans on the Amiga had de best music blasts!! c64 had a very great pre-intro & intro tune but only had ingame music in those flying stages, which was kind a bummer. It sounded great. ramiro did a great job.

[Bonknuts]

All this discussion makes me wonder if things would have been much different at all if the PCE had featured even double the anemic amount of main RAM it's equipped with.

 Double? It was originally designed for 4 times the amount it has now. It has mapped space for a 32k sram chip. But since there are no upper address lines, it just wraps and mirrors the single 8k sram 4 times. Why? Because they're a$$holes The SGX has the single 32k ram chip there. And there's no way to 'turn it off'. Even if you set the compatibility switch to PCE mode on the SGX, the full amount of RAM is there. Thus, you can always detect if you're running on an SGX or not, regardless of the compatibility switch.

[TheOldMan]

Thanks to Harry Tuttle's website, "The Dump",

Oh my God! Someone else remembers "The Dump". I must have scanned half my collection for Harry. Wish he could see me now, churning out games for his beloved turbo....

Wait. You actually paid for magic engine? I lived with the demo for a looooong time. Was the only way I could play my turbo games, as the young 'uns kept the Tube tied up with their new-fangled Geney-sis and N64, then later their playstations and xboxes.
Good Times....