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Joe Redifer

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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD
« Reply #60 on: May 08, 2011, 12:32:40 PM »
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I don't think it's fair to say that I'm armchair quarterbacking. I'm not all up in arms about it, but I do feel that it's right to be critical about whether or not they did the right thing. I do think that capturing him and putting him on trial would have been a superior outcome.


Who said life is fair?  I agree with that but I am not sad that he is dead.

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Neither were you; don't pretend your argument is more valid just because you're siding with the prevailing belief


That's right, I wasn't.  But where did I say what my beliefs are?  The best you could do is the Denis Leary quote which I thought was funny.  The point I am trying to make is that shit happens, none of us were there and NONE of us can say "Hey, you should have done this or that" or even "Hey, you did exactly what you should have done".  I'm not sure if I've mentioned it in this particular thread, but I found it very distasteful that people were celebrating in the streets about the news of his death.  Hindsight is 20/20.  People always seem to demand 100% perfection from those in the military, police and other authoritative services and really get their panties in a wad if something bad happens.  People forget that those units are comprised of people, too.


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everyone I've talked to in Belgium and Germany this week is shocked that we simply shot him in the head


No, we shot him in the chest first.  But again, "everyone" in Belgium and Germany wasn't there.  Isn't anyone surprised that the information has come out about Osama being unarmed?  That info came straight out of the US Government themselves.  Why would they let this be known?  If they screwed up, you think they'd keep that secret... you know... like the aliens they are hiding?  Or that they destroyed the World Trade Center themselves?  Or that Elvis is alive and playing poker with Jimmy Hoffa?.. or that the moon landings were faked?
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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD
« Reply #61 on: May 08, 2011, 01:22:28 PM »
lol, isn't that your stance on like every debate/loldrama we talk about? :D
Yep... pretty much. :D

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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD
« Reply #62 on: May 08, 2011, 01:27:47 PM »
I've got an argument you might care about, Old Rover:

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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD
« Reply #63 on: May 08, 2011, 02:41:52 PM »
I WOULD HAVE SEX WITH A DINOSAUR.
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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD
« Reply #64 on: May 08, 2011, 04:51:40 PM »
Joe, that's not even a properly formed question; the first point is irrelevant to the second... and neither is relevant to the question.

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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD
« Reply #65 on: May 08, 2011, 05:44:13 PM »
I know, it is a troll question.

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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD
« Reply #66 on: May 08, 2011, 05:48:03 PM »
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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD
« Reply #67 on: May 09, 2011, 09:09:35 AM »
This was a a group of suicidal terrorists/freedom fighters.
Word.  If someone's wife lunged at me and my eighty commandos, I'd shoot him in the head too.

Like I said, this wasn't just some random place they happened to come across some unidentified people. This was Big Boss holed up in Outer Heaven.

Whether you think that they were in any way affiliated with Al Qaeda or not, many women, sometimes with children have carried out public suicide bombings in Afganistan. Are women some how less threatening than men? Al Qaeda has taken credit for and promised to so many things at least as bad. Is it okay to behead journalists, missionaries or any other non-combatants?

There have been many reports of U.S. Soldiers doing far worse things in Iraq and Afganistan. I'm not glad that Bin Laden or any one else was executed. I just don't see how anyone can be surprised that the U.S. carried out its plans to kill Osama Bin Laden. What did you expect them to do? Two wrongs don't make a right, but what do you think that Bin Laden would gave done if the roles were reversed?

Most people would say that he was already respinsible for much more killing of defenseless innocents.
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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD
« Reply #68 on: May 09, 2011, 11:57:38 AM »
What was the last thing to go through Osamas mind before he died?


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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD
« Reply #69 on: May 09, 2011, 02:03:31 PM »
Does anyone honestly believe we ever had any intention of capturing him?  Bottom line is this was a political assassination and a violation of human rights.  I guess it can be argued that it was worth it in this one instance, but, as much as I hate to grant lunatic, death machines like Bin Laden their rights, if we start drawing lines in the sand some Christianist, Tea Party zealot is going to take things a step further.

Besides stirring up a hornets' nest in Pakistan and enraging tons of Muslims, stunts like this and waterboarding suspects also break down the Geneva Convention and endanger our troops when they fall into enemy hands.

Furthermore, assassinating this SOB doesn't change shit.  We're still fighting a faceless, international enemy, and, just as we trained, funded, and created Bin Laden and Hussein, we're still supporting murdering dictatorships in Ethiopia, Honduras, and god-knows-where else.

you know... like the aliens they are hiding?  Or that they destroyed the World Trade Center themselves?  Or that Elvis is alive and playing poker with Jimmy Hoffa?.. or that the moon landings were faked?
Don't lump differing opinions in with a bunch of unrelated topics and absurdity.  There's probably a logical fallacy about that somewhere.

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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD
« Reply #70 on: May 09, 2011, 02:18:35 PM »
Besides stirring up a hornets' nest in Pakistan and enraging tons of Muslims, stunts like this and waterboarding suspects also break down the Geneva Convention and endanger our troops when they fall into enemy hands.

Honest question.  Do you think that if those things weren't done, that the terrorists would be more peaceful/not decapitate REPORTERS (non combatants), take hostages, bomb embassies, etc.?
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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD
« Reply #71 on: May 09, 2011, 04:55:35 PM »
Vestcoat for president!  He has it all figured out.  He knows what to do.

In all seriousness, though, shit like this happens a lot.  There is no "non-evil" country in the world.  I am not arguing that we can do no wrong.
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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD
« Reply #72 on: May 09, 2011, 11:50:12 PM »
Honest question.  Do you think that if those things weren't done, that the terrorists would be more peaceful/not decapitate REPORTERS (non combatants), take hostages, bomb embassies, etc.?
Sounds like a rhetorical question to me - of course not.  

Antagonistic question:  Do you think we should throw out human rights and international conventions every time someone commits an atrocity?

EDIT:  Sorry about that "antagonistic question" bit.  Obviously, I think the answer is "no"; the end does not justify the means and if we don't raise the bar no one will.
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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD
« Reply #73 on: May 10, 2011, 12:40:11 AM »
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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD
« Reply #74 on: May 10, 2011, 01:07:23 AM »
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