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Re: Biggest lost opportunities for the PCE
« Reply #120 on: January 18, 2012, 09:51:26 AM »
are we discussing that the pce-had a bad sound chip or that it just had bad music composers here... ?

cause I sure think we went down this road a few years ago....
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Re: Biggest lost opportunities for the PCE
« Reply #121 on: January 18, 2012, 11:30:18 AM »
This thread is way over my head, but I still find it thoroughly interesting. :D

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Re: Biggest lost opportunities for the PCE
« Reply #122 on: January 18, 2012, 12:32:01 PM »
But that's just a number. Most MD/Gen tunes don't even touch the PSG chip for music.
If it's just a number, why even bring it up then? lol.   You're the one that brought up numbers in this regard.

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Considering what the FM chip was capable of (whether you're a fan of it or not), the SMS PSG chip is not much of a companion. You can already make perfect square wave and triangle waveform notes with the YM2612 using the feedback register (a common exploit in FM chips).
But you could use the PSG for a lot of percussive things instead of wasting a perfectly good FM channel that could be doing something better.


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but it's a rather large step up from the NES audio in terms of capability. Whether developers took advantage of that or not, is another thing entirely.
That's funny, considering in the past you've said the PCE is just a step above the NES.  Now it's a large step up.  At least you're leaning the right way now.

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But I do agree that 8 channels would have seemed the logical route for PCE audio.
I'm curious what the logical reason was for doing 6, because it obviously worked out great.

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Not that you really need more channels per se to make a song or such, but the PCE's audio lacks any sort of intra-note hardware timbre control (though note-to-note timbre control is easy to do)
Thank you for restating what I already said. :)

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and requires doing phase difference type effects with two channels to bend that timbre/sound (which number of PCE game music do).
It is not always a requirement.  You can do it with a single channel.  Change the wave with every note.  Split a note into shorter durations (two 16ths instead of an 8) and change waves between them.  I've done it with Squirrel.

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Appreciation for chiptunes seems all the rage these past 10 years or so, but back in the day people didn't give a shit. CD audio was 'badass' and everything else was inferior.

Tell that to all those wack job C64 fans, dude.
[Fri 19:34]<nectarsis> been wanting to try that one for awhile now Ope
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Re: Biggest lost opportunities for the PCE
« Reply #123 on: January 18, 2012, 02:26:14 PM »
..... Arkhan, just let it rest. I wasn't replying to you directly or indirectly. Whatever your problem is, get over it already. I'm sick of you talking shit/snide remarks/attitude/whatever towards me on the forum. Quit trying to start/stir up shit. I purposely avoid replying to you or having any conversation with you on this forum. Please provide me with the same courtesy.

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Re: Biggest lost opportunities for the PCE
« Reply #124 on: January 18, 2012, 03:01:17 PM »
I agree that there are many types of games that would have helped sales of the system. However, the biggest loss was that it had no 2nd controller port and a lack of fighting action style 2 player games. I really think this made a huge difference in North America. If only Riot Zone was 2 player. What were they thinking?

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Re: Biggest lost opportunities for the PCE
« Reply #125 on: January 18, 2012, 03:20:04 PM »
Totally agree with Keith Courage.

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Re: Biggest lost opportunities for the PCE
« Reply #126 on: January 18, 2012, 03:21:22 PM »
..... Arkhan, just let it rest. I wasn't replying to you directly or indirectly. Whatever your problem is, get over it already. I'm sick of you talking shit/snide remarks/attitude/whatever towards me on the forum. Quit trying to start/stir up shit. I purposely avoid replying to you or having any conversation with you on this forum. Please provide me with the same courtesy.


ffs.  let what rest?  I'm not trying to stir anything up with you, crybaby.  These are legitimate responses to the things you are posting.  You don't read these forums in great detail, so let me explain something:  You aren't getting some special treatment from me.  I think you are a complete dumbass for two fistfulls of reasons, but this does not come into play at all when responding to things you say.  If you hadn't noticed, others replied to what I said as well.  We're having a discussion.  Something you too can be a part of! :)

So, quit being a pussy and lrn2forum.  Respond properly to the things I say.  This means focus on refuting the topic, rather than managing to imply the people you don't agree with are automagically stupid and clueless and that you are the only one with a clue.  Also, proofread your posts so they make sense and don't contain broken sentences, typos, or complete misuse of words that shout out that you aren't re-reading things.  If you can't take the time to do that at least, how much do you really even care about ANY discussions.

For example, I saw on YouTube, you called Nintega a "gluten for punishment".  I got a good laugh out of it.  Stop doing that.  If I wanted to stir shit up with you, I would have been all over that blunder like a fat kid with a piece of cake.

If you can't cope, push the ignore button or deactivate your account for the 4th time only to come back with a new moniker that will undoubtedly be unraveled within 3 posts because your post format is totally obvious.  If you talk in public and I feel like responding, I am going to.  f*ck courtesy.

and for what it's worth, by replying to someone who is replying to me, you are replying to me indirectly.  You should understand this, being a programmer and all.

[Fri 19:34]<nectarsis> been wanting to try that one for awhile now Ope
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Re: Biggest lost opportunities for the PCE
« Reply #127 on: January 18, 2012, 05:15:41 PM »
I'd go with not having a second layer of scrolling.  Its absence was very noticeable

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Re: Biggest lost opportunities for the PCE
« Reply #128 on: January 18, 2012, 06:58:00 PM »
So, quit being a pussy and lrn2forum.

HAHA, you weigh like 120lbs and look like the lost member of LMFAO... you want to be the pot or the kettle on this one?   :lol:

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Re: Biggest lost opportunities for the PCE
« Reply #129 on: January 19, 2012, 12:22:22 AM »
So, quit being a pussy and lrn2forum.

HAHA, you weigh like 120lbs and look like the lost member of LMFAO... you want to be the pot or the kettle on this one?   :lol:

lol, what does weight/size/appearance have to do with being a pussy or not?  Me weighing 135 (ye ye!) obviously hasn't stopped me from speaking my mind, ever. 

and if the person I'm talking to has to end up resorting to physical aggression, it just means I'm right and they ain't got nothin' useful to say.  If I get injured BRING ON TEH LAWSUITS CAUSE THIS IS 'MERICA.
[Fri 19:34]<nectarsis> been wanting to try that one for awhile now Ope
[Fri 19:33]<Opethian> l;ol huge dong

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Re: Biggest lost opportunities for the PCE
« Reply #130 on: January 19, 2012, 02:04:35 AM »
So, quit being a pussy and lrn2forum.


HAHA, you weigh like 120lbs and look like the lost member of LMFAO... you want to be the pot or the kettle on this one?   :lol:


lol, what does weight/size/appearance have to do with being a pussy or not?  Me weighing 135 (ye ye!) obviously hasn't stopped me from speaking my mind, ever.  

and if the person I'm talking to has to end up resorting to physical aggression, it just means I'm right and they ain't got nothin' useful to say.  If I get injured BRING ON TEH LAWSUITS CAUSE THIS IS 'MERICA.



For that matter, what does speaking your mind have to do with being a pussy or not?  It has less to do with being a pussy and more to do with being a loudmouth internet assclown... or not, as the case may be.

Try that same approach in the real world and you'll likely end up getting your personality "fine-tuned" because of it.  It probably has less to do with who's right or wrong than it has to do with who failed to recognize when they were pushing the situation to that point before it was too late and probably should have kept their loud mouth shut in the first place BEFORE there was physical aggression involved... an ouce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, as they always say.  :D

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Re: Biggest lost opportunities for the PCE
« Reply #131 on: January 19, 2012, 02:24:53 AM »
So, quit being a pussy and lrn2forum.  Respond properly to the things I say.  This means focus on refuting the topic, rather than managing to imply the people you don't agree with are automagically stupid and clueless and that you are the only one with a clue.

... something about pots and kettles.

Also, proofread your posts so they make sense and don't contain broken sentences, typos, or complete misuse of words that shout out that you aren't re-reading things.  If you can't take the time to do that at least, how much do you really even care about ANY discussions.

That's rich coming from you.
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Re: Biggest lost opportunities for the PCE
« Reply #132 on: January 19, 2012, 02:25:29 AM »
For that matter, what does speaking your mind have to do with being a pussy or not?  It has less to do with being a pussy and more to do with being a loudmouth internet assclown... or not, as the case may be.
Not really.  You can't just go blabbering online in public and then whine and tell someone not to bother you because they're disagreeing.   Well I mean, you can, but it makes you a pussy and you shouldn't be on the internet posting opinionated things.  Suck it up and deal with it, or hit the ignore button if it's such a problem.  That's what the button is for: Pussies and crybabies.

In this case the discussion is continuing along just fine and valid points/counterpoints are being made.  It's not like anyones trolling in this thread.  There's some hella stupid sandyvag going on though.

Bonknuts is convinced I have it out for him.  Anyone who actually reads this forum consistently would know that what I've been posting isn't really any different than stuff I usually post.  It's obnoxious and abrasive, but usually brings validity along with it.  

Believe me, if I really had it out for TomaitheousBonknutsBonknuts, everyone would know, because I'd be doing something about it.


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Try that same approach in the real world and you'll likely end up getting your personality "fine-tuned" because of it.
I feel sorry for people who have to start throwing punches because they can't handle talking.  

I do this in the real world too.  It's not a case of LOL INTERNET TUFF GUY.  When I disagree, I disagree.  When I think someones being stupid, I tell them.  If they can't deal with it, they probably are stupid.  Or a crybaby with sandyvag.  The worlds a tough place. If the internets too hard, you're screwed.

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 It probably has less to do with who's right or wrong than it has to do with who failed to recognize when they were pushing the situation to that point before it was too late and probably should have kept their loud mouth shut in the first place BEFORE there was physical aggression involved... and ouce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, as they always say.  :D
More often then not, when someone is losing an argument and runs out of options, they start to get mad.

Once they get mad, they start making less sense, and eventually turn to physical interaction to assert themselves. Usually the person who starts the physical confrontation was wrong to the point where they ran out of ideas.  

Happens all the time.

On the internet, the mad usually becomes apparent when their post becomes riddled with typos/sentences that are barely coherent, grammarfail9000's, lash-out personal attacks with no actual reasoning behind them, and crap like that.  


So if you can't hang, I encourage you to use the "I'm a huge, fat, sandyva... " i mean the "Ignore" button.

I wonder what'd happen with these people if the real world had an ignore button?  They'd likely be wandering around oblivious to the world around them because they ignore anything that might burst their self absorbed little bubbles.

\o/

PCE sound chip is king.  

Necromancer: I do proofread my posts. How often do I make typos or grammatical errors that AREN'T on purpose, and screw up the readability/point of a post?

:)

as for the pot and kettle thing, *shrug*.  I disagree.
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[Fri 19:34]<nectarsis> been wanting to try that one for awhile now Ope
[Fri 19:33]<Opethian> l;ol huge dong

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Re: Biggest lost opportunities for the PCE
« Reply #133 on: January 19, 2012, 03:13:29 AM »
For that matter, what does speaking your mind have to do with being a pussy or not?  It has less to do with being a pussy and more to do with being a loudmouth internet assclown... or not, as the case may be.
Not really.  You can't just go blabbering online in public and then whine and tell someone not to bother you because they're disagreeing.   Well I mean, you can, but it makes you a pussy and you shouldn't be on the internet posting opinionated things.  Suck it up and deal with it, or hit the ignore button if it's such a problem.  That's what the button is for: Pussies and crybabies.

In this case the discussion is continuing along just fine and valid points/counterpoints are being made.  It's not like anyones trolling in this thread.  There's some hella stupid sandyvag going on though.

Bonknuts is convinced I have it out for him.  Anyone who actually reads this forum consistently would know that what I've been posting isn't really any different than stuff I usually post.  It's obnoxious and abrasive, but usually brings validity along with it. 

Believe me, if I really had it out for TomaitheousBonknutsBonknuts, everyone would know, because I'd be doing something about it.


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Try that same approach in the real world and you'll likely end up getting your personality "fine-tuned" because of it.
I feel sorry for people who have to start throwing punches because they can't handle talking. 

I do this in the real world too.  It's not a case of LOL INTERNET TUFF GUY.  When I disagree, I disagree.  When I think someones being stupid, I tell them.  If they can't deal with it, they probably are stupid.  Or a crybaby with sandyvag.  The worlds a tough place. If the internets too hard, you're screwed.

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  It probably has less to do with who's right or wrong than it has to do with who failed to recognize when they were pushing the situation to that point before it was too late and probably should have kept their loud mouth shut in the first place BEFORE there was physical aggression involved... and ouce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, as they always say.  :D
More often then not, when someone is losing an argument and runs out of options, they start to get mad.

Once they get mad, they start making less sense, and eventually turn to physical interaction to assert themselves. Usually the person who starts the physical confrontation was wrong to the point where they ran out of ideas. 

Happens all the time.

On the internet, the mad usually becomes apparent when their post becomes riddled with typos/sentences that are barely coherent, grammarfail9000's, lash-out personal attacks with no actual reasoning behind them, and crap like that. 


So if you can't hang, I encourage you to use the "I'm a huge, fat, sandyva... " i mean the "Ignore" button.

I wonder what'd happen with these people if the real world had an ignore button?  They'd likely be wandering around oblivious to the world around them because they ignore anything that might burst their self absorbed little bubbles.

\o/

PCE sound chip is king. 

Necromancer: I do proofread my posts. How often do I make typos or grammatical errors that AREN'T on purpose, and screw up the readability/point of a post?

:)

as for the pot and kettle thing, *shrug*.  I disagree.

At the risk of cauising a fuss... He wasn't annoyed at you r disagreeing, it was more the manner in which you disagreed.  It was a little .... confrontational.
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Whatever your problem is, get over it already. I'm sick of you talking shit/snide remarks/attitude/whatever towards me on the forum. Quit trying to start/stir up shit.

As for the whole "resorting to violence because you can't put across a decent argument", one could say the same about trash talking.

Personally, I lurked long enough to figure out who was who, and I know not to take stuff personally from you, but I guess you have been a little bit more confrontational with Bonknuts.  I think quite a few people have really.

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Re: Biggest lost opportunities for the PCE
« Reply #134 on: January 19, 2012, 03:18:38 AM »
Ark, I like you and I appreciate what you've done for the community. Regardless, any chance we can dial back the 4chan a bit in here? It's cool to disagree, but there's really no reason to act like a 13 year old on XBL while doing so.