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DragonmasterDan

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Re: Could this be the worst game on the US Turbo?
« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2011, 08:46:00 AM »
It seems like everything went into the visuals which are really nice (in some spots, other spots its just average), and the controls suffered horribly.


It seems to be a recurring theme.  non-Japan-based platformer games have shit controls or some other stupid gameplay flaw that ruins everything.

Up to jump, slippery/jerky, Action 52.

I can think of lots of old games by say for example Rare (Wizards and Warriors) that controlled perfectly fine.
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Re: Could this be the worst game on the US Turbo?
« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2011, 09:52:50 AM »
RARE was a complete exception to everything that makes me laugh at European/American made games of the 80s/90s.

Too bad they didn't do any TG stuff.  I bet it would've been tits.
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Re: Could this be the worst game on the US Turbo?
« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2011, 12:40:33 PM »


It's flaws aren't even that bad when compared to similar "Metroidvania" style adventure games for NES, which are heralded as classics to this day. At least it lets you save your game and diesn't require extremely long passwords with several font characters that are indistinguishable from others.


It's not controllable. Faxanadu is controllable, as another Turbo example, Exile is Controllable.  This.. this is just terrible. The Adams Family is a giant step forward in playability.


It depends on how you define "controllable". Obviously, it is not uncontrollable, otherwise I couldn't have . Many games have bad enemy placement and/or collision, where you can be juggled to death from full HP with absolutely no control over it. Dracula XX does all of this. Faxanadu has some spots that are cheaper than Night Creatures and some ridiculous backtracking if you make a mistake, plus a crappy password system. Exile WP was so bad that I gave up on it, even though I'd already conquered Night Creatures for years at that point. If anything, Night Creatures was ahead of its time and artificially balances the gameplay with extra HP like too many games do today and being able to save anywhere really makes a big difference.


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Just on a side note, I'm not saying the programmers were incompetent, or the basic idea is flawed. It's just executed so horribly that it's far worse than even I could have imagined.


I had the same reaction when I first rented it back in the day. After buying it cheap secondhand, I was determined to beat it for the shear challenge alone. It was even more rewarding than I expected, once I could fully appreciate just how difficult it was to figure the game out. It helps if you enjoy this style of game in the first place. I don't think that it's a good game, but it can be entertaining and it's far from unplayable, much more so than some other Turbo games. I'd still rather play a broken adventure game like this over the average sports, FPS, strategy, puzzle, digital comic, music, management, fmv, or stealth game. But I love adventure games and don't normally enjoy most of those other genres.


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I can think of lots of old games by say for example Rare (Wizards and Warriors) that controlled perfectly fine.


W&W may be playable and entertaining, but it certainly doesn't control perfectly fine. :wink:
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Re: Could this be the worst game on the US Turbo?
« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2011, 04:02:43 PM »
I thought the sort of bouncy obnoxious platforming with giant dopey knight was part of the appeal to W&W?

I gave night creatures a play again.

Its like it doesn't know if it's a castlevania game, or a prince of persia style game.

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Re: Could this be the worst game on the US Turbo?
« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2011, 04:17:10 PM »

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Re: Could this be the worst game on the US Turbo?
« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2011, 06:05:52 PM »
It does feel like it's not finished.

For me, I never could get thru Night Creatures, I've tried & tried.  However, I did persevere thru Impossamole, & rather enjoy it despite it's flaws.  Same goes with Exile WP, I figured out tricks bitd that helped me to play thru, & enjoy it....though, not as much as the first. :P

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Re: Could this be the worst game on the US Turbo?
« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2011, 09:55:50 AM »
I have Night Creatures unplayed, but now this topic has got me very curious to give it a try. If it's in the same style as SoTN like Black Tiger mentions its already earned some points from me since I love those kind of games. I'll keep my expectations low and give it a chance.

Back on topic I've generally avoided the "bad" games, which is probably why I haven't gotten to Night Creatures yet. I think the closest I got is Addam's Family, but I didn't think that was terrible just disappointing.

 

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Re: Could this be the worst game on the US Turbo?
« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2011, 11:15:20 AM »
It's absolutely nothing at all like Symphony of the Night other than the horror theme. It's also absolute f*cking shit. These people defending it are the sort that defend basically anything on an NEC system.

My only point was that the Disney games are even worse. 

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Re: Could this be the worst game on the US Turbo?
« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2011, 12:55:10 PM »
It's absolutely nothing at all like Symphony of the Night other than the horror theme. It's also absolute f*cking shit. These people defending it are the sort that defend basically anything on an NEC system.

My only point was that the Disney games are even worse. 

How is saying that an NEC system has even worse games defending an NEC system? You've just said the same thing yourself. Pointing out that it's unlikely amateur programmers who pulled off tricks that many high profile developers didn't, isn't defending it either. I wouldn't have even mentioned it if you hadn't attributed the overall quality to inability of programmers.

It is exactly the same type of game as SotN, even more so than many other "Metroidvanias". It is a  free roaming sidescroller, with different items and weapons you can pickup and choose to use/equip whenever you like. Along the way you gain new forms to shapeshift into. The more abilities you gain, the more areas you can access. It may not be nearly as good of a game as SotN, but it is the same type. Same with Shape Shifter.

Did you basically just turn it on, decide that you didn't like it and just guessed what type of game it is?
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Re: Could this be the worst game on the US Turbo?
« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2011, 03:21:10 PM »
Back in the day Night Creatures was one of four games my brother owned for his TG16. He didn't have a CD system like me and he got the system rather late, so the selection of games in town was small, you see.

I assure you, I'm not one of those Youtube punks who downloads shiploads of ROMS and then rags on them completely out of context. My experience with Night Creatures lasted many hours longer than it deserved.

However, I'm not going to get so tied up in it's clever programing tricks (of which I have no understanding) that I forgive what a piece of shit it is. It's "like" SotN in the same way that Time Killers is like Street Fighter Alpha. There might be some similarities but %99.9 of all people who like the good game in the comparison are going to f*cking HATE the shittier game.

The game is shit. I give it a few points for originality, but it ends there. I recommend it to no man.

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Re: Could this be the worst game on the US Turbo?
« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2011, 04:12:06 PM »
I bought this game recently in a lot with a bunch of other stuff and I was looking forward to playing it based off the cover. I wish I didn't read this thread cause now I missed the surprise that this game is "bad". Idk, I guess I'll still have to find out for myself. I'll give it a good chance though
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Re: Could this be the worst game on the US Turbo?
« Reply #26 on: June 13, 2011, 02:05:16 AM »
I tried Night Creatures, and I have to say that is one of the worst games I have ever played.

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Re: Could this be the worst game on the US Turbo?
« Reply #27 on: June 13, 2011, 03:49:19 PM »
I was really excited for this game, graphics looked pretty cool, and I thought the "theme" was pretty good.  Unfortunately the on-screen character responds to the controller about as well as my nutsack responds to a blender.

For a better horror-ish game, I stick to Shape Shifter, which is actually awesome.

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Re: Could this be the worst game on the US Turbo?
« Reply #28 on: June 13, 2011, 04:42:36 PM »

Castlepersia!

Perslevania?

Night Creatures had some neat ideas, but, as has been said already, the implementation is just too problematic. The attack animations give weapons much shorter range than they look like they should have and the hit box placement is abysmal. Faxanadu on the NES had similar problems but somehow managed to be a much better game in spite of this. I'm not going to attribute this to bad programmers, because I don't think that's the case. I think it's due to bad game designers. Just as good web programmers and good graphic designers often don't understand usability well (if it's pretty, it's good, right?), it's clear that the programmers and writers of this game didn't do enough play testing and didn't understand accessibility in controls.
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Re: Could this be the worst game on the US Turbo?
« Reply #29 on: June 15, 2011, 03:50:55 AM »
Trust me, there were PLENTY of games we tried to talk them OUT of releasing (or at least suggested changes to) and our advice in the game-testing division (Wood Dale, IL) was completely ignored.

So the games would go out, sell poorly, the sales of the system would then suffer as a result and... well... you know how things ended up.

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